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October 17, 2006

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Great comments, Melinda. I also heard the Kuo-Colson exhange on Ingraham this morning. Colson was very sharp and informative.

Agreed, good comments. David Kuo seems to forget that the Right (whether Christian or not) are not socialists, rather, as in the case of the Christian right, they believe it is their own responsibility as a church to provide for the poor (although there are likely many who just don't care about the poor, but this is a poor generalization about all of the Christian right). However, the non-Christian right, commonly adopt to the ideal of Noblesse oblige.

I'm surprised at Kuo's comments on this matter.

Thanks Melinda for reminding us that it is our involvement/engagement in the culture that will effect the changes that are needed. Afterall, hasn't most of our societal problems been a result of the church's history of circling the wagons rather than getting out of into world?

"It seemed to me that Kuo directed his comments at the 'religious right.' Is the religious left immune to the dangers he warns of?"

This is a good point and is quite correct. It happens that these things cycle and the period on the religious left that best corresponds to the present state of the religious right would be the 1930s and 40s when many on the religious left embraced the Stalinist Soviet Union and CPUSA because of the poverty and racial injustice in much of the United states.

Many well meaning folks closed their eyes to the truth and chose to become fellow travelers for a higher good. They chose to believe that the confessions in open court that they heard during the show trials were evidence of guilt so perhaps it was justified that Comerade Stalin was a little harsh. Of course, we know now that those "confessions" were obtained by torture, using the very same methods that were signed into law today here in the United States.

The religious left needed a fast from politics back then and the religious right nees one now.

As has been noted elsewhere, this call for a pietistic withdrawl from the civil process comes a mere three weeks before a general election.

I would guess it has the same motivation as Moyer's "Is God Green" which he openly acknowledged was an attempt to divide the vote of the Culture of Life, so that Democrats would take over Congress.

Puzzled, this is why the Democrats need to take over the Congress: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/opinion/17stein.html?ex=1318737600&en=c5709a9fc1e31b3f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

If political activity is required for Christians to be salt & light (and I agree that in some cases it is), may I respectfully suggest that we Christians engage in policits in a more discerning, selective, non-partisan, and Christ-exalting way? We must engage culture on issues like abortion, where Scripture is clear. But when "Christian" political groups and "Christian" voting guides purport to tell the whole world that the entire secular agenda of the Republican party -- down to the most arcane tax or fiscal policy -- is synonomous with Christianity, then I suggest we're not being salt and light. Rather, we're confusing the gospel.

I frankly think we that are so accustomed to thinking that "good Christians" most vote Republican, we don't even consider whether that some Republican policies and actions may be -- dare I say it -- immoral and ungodly. (If you can't even think of any examples, you've not been paying attention and are proving my point.) I wonder, for example, if more Christians would be speaking out against torture if a Democratic President claimed the sole right to define it, to engage in it secretly, etc.

When I have to try to convince my non-believing parents that they don't have to convert to the Republican Party before they can consider attending church or considering the gospel message, something is dramatically wrong. The fact that so many Christians immediately condemn Kuo, without being able to deny his recitation of what he saw while in the Bush White House, should be ringing alarm bells in our minds about the extent to which we're confused about who our "team" really is (hint: it's not a secular political party) and the extent to which we're more concerned about advancing the Republican Party than we are the truth of the gospel and the glory of Christ.

Lee wrote:

"when 'Christian' political groups and 'Christian' voting guides purport to tell the whole world that the entire secular agenda of the Republican party -- down to the most arcane tax or fiscal policy -- is synonomous with Christianity, then I suggest we're not being salt and light."

I agree and am reminded of what Os Guinness, in his book The Call, had to say about the error of "particularlism."

"[W]here God has not spoken definitively, we can legitimately say, 'This practice (political decision, lifestyle, or whatever) is not Christian' – if it contradicts the teaching of the Bible. But we cannot legitimately go on to say, 'This practice alone is Christian.' . . . This point means that there is no one Christian form of politics any more than there is one Christian form of poetry, raising a family, running an economy, or planning a retirement. Many ways are definitely not Christian, but no one way alone is."

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