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August 17, 2011

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Another job of the holy spirit is to witness to you. This is the best evidence that Christianity is true--according to Will Craig.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S-fDyPU3wlQ

Now, the fact that Will believes the best evidence that Christianity is true is: "a ghost told him so" is, I think, very telling...

ToNy -- is "a ghost told me so" really an accurate characterization of the Holy Spirit's witness?

ToNy, I doubt it's an accurate characterization. No Christian I know of thinks of the witness of the Holy Spirit as being anything like a scene from Harry Potter in which a ghost appears before him and talks to him. The most common characterization I know of is that the witness of the Holy Spirit is like a rational intuition. One simply reflects inwardly, is honest with himself, and finds himself believing. It's like our knowledge of causation, the reliability of our sensory experiences, the past, the uniformity of nature, other minds, morality, etc. It's immediate, intuitive, and hard to deny with any honesty or seriousness.

whether you intuit the ghost with your mind, or hear the ghost with your ears, dont matter to me.

a ghost tells you Christianity is true, hence you believe.

Anyone who disagrees with tony is either stupid or ignorant, or both. Way to go tony. And way to mock experiences both painful and joyful held dear by others. I guess you're good for something in this world after all? It takes one to know one....ya know?

WWJD?

>> Anyone who disagrees with tony is either stupid or ignorant, or both.

I suppose that makes me stupid, ignorant, or both stupid and ignorant. Thats very convincing.

The Holy Spirit indeed does reprove the world of sin, righteousness and judgment. The critical question is, "How?" The Jn. 16:8-11 verse is Jesus speaking to the apostles. Jesus proceeds to tell them that after His death will come the Holy Spirit that will "guide them into all truth" (Jn. 16:13). This has reference to the Holy Spirit ("the Comforter") coming upon the apostles in Jerusalem on the first day of Pentecost after Jesus' resurrection (Acts 2:1-4). [Sidebar: Notice also that in the Jn. 16:13 passage, it says that the Holy Spirit will not speak concerning Himself. What does this mean to those claiming to be "moved by the Holy Spirit" today? How would you know it is the Holy Spirit if He does not speak concerning himself?] So given the context of the passage, how do we make the leap that this has reference to the Holy Spirit mystically communicating with humans today outside of His word?

The Holy Spirit certainly DOES reprove the world of sin, righteousness and judgment, but it is done through the WORD! (Heb. 1:1). The Holy Spirit was given to the apostles (who then had the power to transfer certain spiritual gifts to others) so they could complete the revelation of the Holy Spirit (New Testament) and to confirm the message by miraculous gifts in the first century. The Bible plainly teaches that the miraculous gifts associated with the Holy Spirit existed for a limited time and do not exist today (1 Cor. 13:8; Eph. 4:13-14; Heb. 2:1-4; Jn. 20:31).

I believe in the all-sufficiency of the word of God (2 Pet. 1:3) and I do not think the notion that the Holy Spirit is acting in a revelatory manner (outside of His word) today is a sustainable position for someone who believes in the verbal, plenary inspiration of the Scriptures.

I am not sure what Greg or any others on this site believe in regards to the work of the Holy Spirit today, but I hope this offers a counter to those who discredit Christianity on the basis of a perceived believer reliance on a "mystical Holy Spirit experience" and to those who do hold that the Holy Spirit works in a revelatory manner today outside of His word.

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