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Here is a message Greg gave recently at Harvest Christian Fellowship with Come Reason Ministry about making a case for traditional marriage and answering the challenges in the public square.
Posted by Melinda on October 04, 2012 at 08:57 AM in :Melinda Penner, Apologetics, Christianity & Culture, Ethics | Permalink
I'm intrigued: @3 minutes 27 seconds in the Q&A
"I was born arguably, as a heterosexual, and therefore I have strong sexual desires like any other male for other women, not just for the woman I'm married to"
"Whoso looketh on a woman to lust after her, hath committed adultery with her already in his heart"
I have no doubt that I will get referred to some hand waving away explanation of how it doesnt really mean what is literally written and Greg and the Bible have to be taken in context. How convenient.
Btw, I'm just like Greg. Good on him. He cant help it, and neither can I, but God can judge me for the thought crime he created in us? Ok........
But gays are bad mmmmkay
October 04, 2012 at 01:57 PM
Gays aren't bad. Their sin is just as bad as the sin of adultery. It's the fact that they live a life of sin and are unrepentant that is bad. People misunderstand Christians' (true Christians, anyway) reasons for preaching against sin. It's not for our benefit--it's for the sinner's benefit. We didn't make the rules, God did. We are merely the mouthpieces for His laws. People who don't want to see this, won't. They will live how they want to live in complete rebellion towards our King.
Furthermore, God will judge you for the "thought crime" only if you don't repent. God isn't out to get you. He wants you to have a relationship with Him. Soften your heart and maybe you could see that.
October 04, 2012 at 02:47 PM
"Btw, I'm just like Greg. Good on him. He cant help it, and neither can I, but God can judge me for the thought crime he created in us? Ok........"
People are not automatons whose DNA determines everything they will do. I/you have a choice in the matter. The sin is in the intentional dwelling on and acting upon the deed. Sin starts in the mind and eventually is acted upon and, as that continually happens, leads to spiritual death in all cases.
Darth Dutch |
October 04, 2012 at 03:41 PM
I don't know what to think--whether it's just an action that is subject to praise and blame, or whether the desire or inclination that lead to the action is also subject to praise and blame. My initial thought is to say that only choices are subject to praise and blame, which means that the desires and inclinations that gave rise to the choices are not subject to praise and blame since they preceded the choice. One might say that the desires and inclinations were also chosen, and therefore subject to praise and blame, but the problem with that is that it leads to an infinite regress since, if you chose a desire or inclination, you must've had some desire or inclination to do so, etc.
But as I think about it more carefully, it seems that our desire and inclinations are subject to praise and blame. In fact, they are the basis upon which we praise and blame behavior. The same action can be praised or blamed depending on the motivation that lead to it. For example, if you shove an old lady because of your hatred of old ladies and your mean disposition, then you are worthy of blame. But if you shove an old lady out of a desire to save her from a train that is about to hit her and your kind disposition, then you are worthy of praise.
Besides that, there are many passages in the Bible that talk about God judging the heart, and not just the actions. For example, there's 1 Samuel 16:7, 1 Chronicles 28:9, Proverbs 16:2, Proverbs 21:2, Jeremiah 11:20, Jeremiah 17:10, 1 Corinthians 4:5, Hebrews 4:12, etc.
October 04, 2012 at 10:26 PM
Jesus said that you cannot get good fruit from a bad tree, nor can you get bad fruit from a good tree. The root has to be renewed.
October 06, 2012 at 04:54 AM
Your screen name describes you well.
There's a huge difference between having a passing thought of temptation and not only giving in to it, but then promoting it and demanding all of society accept it and celebrate it!
Now, what specific portion in the video(s) did you disagree about?
October 09, 2012 at 07:53 PM
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