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October 30, 2012

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Good article. I think in the past Greg has pointed out how best to answer the question that is sometimes posed of "Do you believe the Bible in a literal sense" is something along the lines of "I take the Bible at face value". Some things are clearly meant to be read in a literal sense; others clearly not.

That is a very common attack against Christians, but it's really a simple thing to answer.

Darth Dutch

Great Post, Amy!

I have not read the book. Let me start with that up front. Nevertheless, it seems to me that the title of the book refers to "Biblical" womanhood, not "Christian" womanhood.

I love this quote: "Jesus called himself the final temple (John 2:21) and offered himself as the final sacrifice, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). This is why no Christian anywhere has offered sacrifices since the crucifixion, nor observed the rules of temple worship (cf. Galatians and Hebrews). This most fundamental rule of interpretation is based on the fact that the Bible is the story of God’s salvation coming into the world, climaxing in Jesus, and therefore we can’t read the first part of the Bible as if Jesus never came in the last part."

I just wish modern Protestant Evangelical Christians would heed this when going on about the rebuilt Temple, End Times, Israel's significance as a nation, and Last Days. It is finished - we need not concern ourselves any more with any of the aforementioned.

Perry, are you a partial preterist or a full preterist? Do you believe the resurrection and judgment have already happened? And I don't mean the resurrection of Jesus. I mean our resurrection.

I believe it's pretty clear that the New Testament writers expected an imminent "something" to happen. Jesus warned of an imminent event, and said "this generation," meaning His listeners, would not pass away until all had been fulfilled. I believe Paul, especially, is very apocalyptic in his writings and John, in Revelation, is as well. So, since we know Jerusalem fell in 70 A.D., forever making Temple worship and sacrifice irrelevant as well as impossible, and since we have Jesus' words that He fulfilled the Law, I feel safe in believing that we are no longer waiting for anything to happen. We have convinced ourselves that we have firm knowledge about what these terms "Final judgement" and "Resurrection" mean as written in the N.T., but without the writers here to ask, I believe we can only ascribe meaning to them, not necessarily know for certain what those terms mean or denote. They may be so wrapped up in first century apocalyptic Hebrew language, imagery, and hyperbole that the meaning may be totally lost on us.

There is no reason to assume Christ meant his listeners by "this generation" as you have to take it in the context of the parable of the fig tree before it. Therefore "this generation is referring to the future generation that the fig tree parable refers to. Has this happened yet which comes after the "this generation" quote by Christ?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away"
Look at the fallen, sinful,wicked and corrupt world around you Perry and tell me all is fulfilled and God has won and satan has lost. Please get real.
Of course the second coming has not occured yet. Of course satan wants to deceive people with preterist nonsence, how can you be saved if you believe you have nothing to be saved from as all prophesy is already fulfilled?

Well, Andrew, you belong to a different school than I. There is not only one way to interpret Scripture. If there was, we would all be in agreement. One man's nonsense is another man's logic.

I contend that every time Jesus uses the pronoun "you" in Luke and Matthew, he is talking to His contemporaries. Otherwise, why would He need to warn them? Why should they heed anything if the message was for some far off, future generation? If you say, "Because He knew it would be written down and read for millenia," well, that's nonsense to me. It was all an act for His disciples, then.

Anyway, we are saved from sin, and it has nothing to do with prophecy. I am not worried about it. Billions and billions have died before us, and billions and billions will die after us. Whatever happens to me as I pass from this world into the next is completely out of my control. I trust Christ to handle it.

Galatians 5:2-4 succinctly refutes the legalism Amy addresses:

"Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."

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