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November 16, 2012

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"If we decide to thumb our nose at reality, reality will not be forgiving."

Well stated. The sad part is most people won't believe it until they start seeing the negative consequences. By then, it will be too late to do much about it.

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Added the book to my wish list!

" by then it will be too late"

There is a precedent for gay marriage in other countries and also US states, so we should already be able to see the consequences if they are good or bad. I haven't heard of any disastrous consequences in Canada or Europe for example.

"There is a precedent for gay marriage in other countries and also US states, so we should already be able to see the consequences if they are good or bad. I haven't heard of any disastrous consequences in Canada or Europe for example."

Anything that degrades the foundational building block of society, the nuclear family, will have disastrous results over time. Same sex marriage is just one of many things that will erode that foundation.

The US states you mentioned only recently passed such laws so, yes, we might not see those results right now, but just like Rome wasn't built in a day, neither did the downfall of Rome happen suddenly or due to one thing.

I don't think there is as much a causal relationship between same sex marriage and any declination of society, but more that the fact we are having this discussion as a culture is a symptom that the declination of society is already happening.

Darth Dutch

B, there are problems that result when a society changes it's idea of marriage as being connected to children and their welfare to the idea of an emotional bond endorsed by the state. You can find more written about this, but here's one example:

Gay-marriage advocates rejected the idea that marriage is intrinsically connected to parenthood, and the Dutch public bought that argument. Once marriage stops being about binding mothers and fathers together for the sake of the children they create, the need to get married gradually disappears….

The Netherlands is so important because it provides evidence for an actual acceleration of out-of-wedlock birthrates following the passage of same-sex unions–proof demanded by Eskridge and Spedale. We see this in the Netherlands because, in contrast to Scandinavia, out-of-wedlock birthrates were relatively low in Holland prior to the advent of registered partnerships and gay marriage….

All indications are that the Dutch case is a causal smoking gun for gay marriage’s negative effects. Although the matter is fair game for continued debate, no one has yet offered a convincing alternative explanation, or even fully confronted the arguments already on the table. At a bare minimum, the rapid and ongoing deterioration of Dutch marriage shows that the “conservative case” for same-sex marriage has been proven wrong in the Netherlands. Convince the public that marriage is not about parenthood, and increasingly parents simply stop getting married.

"I don't think there is as much a causal relationship between same sex marriage and any declination of society"

Ooops, I meant to say I didn't think that same sex marriage is the sole reason for declination of society, but did not convey that. It is certainly part of it.

Darth Dutch

"A Queer Thing Happened to America" by Dr Michael Brown has a chapter or two on the effects of same sex marriage in Europe.

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