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January 04, 2013

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Please be aware, that a scene involving the debasing of a prostitute is fairly graphic, but manages to be that way without actual nudity. Also, a song introducing some despicable characters is in your face raunchy.

The rest of the movie is wonderful, but those two scenes really ruined the movie for my wife and myself.

The movie is indeed fabulous! As a longtime fan of the musical, I was worried about how the actors would do. I thought everyone was great.

As to any complaints about the graphic nature of some scenes, what else can we expect, given the context? I appreciate a movie that shows sin as it really is - ugly and full of death, not glamorous!

It does seem Hollywood can't please Christians. This is a brilliant story about grace. No, it's not for kids. If you are an adult or an older teen, go see it. It's fantastic!

Thank you Paul for the heads up on the scene. As for the comment regarding seeing sin as it truly is, I'm not sure I understand the point. I don't want to see sin in any form. There is no good form to sin, whether it is glamorized or not. If the scene is there, it is glamorized. Better to skim over it, or allude to it, than reveal its claws for all to see.

Hmmm... prostitution is debasing in and of itself... despicable characters do things that are far worse then being raunchy. If hollywood presented the 'real' life accounts of some of these characters, such accounts would be shocking, if not horrifying, to many of us. Hollywood does glamorize sex and violence. But not always. And perhaps not this time.

As adults we should be able to look the evils of the world in the face and have a ready answer. As for our youth, they live in a world were these evils are ever present and just one mouse click away. I try to take the opportunity to discuss these issues with my son. To show him the right and wrong of things and that there is wisdom, grace and forgiveness to be found through Christ. If we think that we can protect our youth as they grow up in a Christian bubble we are, in my opinion, very mistaken. In the world, but not of it.

Engage, explain, educate but don't take part. Our youth need to know what they are walking into because at some point they will leave us and make their way in the world. As parents, lets equip them to be able to provide answers to the world, where their eyes are open and they don't face too many nasty surprises.

The more we are saturated with the content of the world, the less evil it becomes to our senses. One of the meanings behind the Scripture we are to be in the world and not of it is that we do not engage in the activities of the world. Warning them and showing them are two very different things.
I can warn my son not to touch the oven burner while its on while not placing his hand on it, or someone else's, to show him how wrong it would be. Our culture now deems it necessary to "show" the evil of the world so as not surprise them of its evil... That makes no sense to me. I'm not going to sit down with my son and show him a movie of debauchery so that he can understand what debauchery is. You are only feeding his senses and flesh, giving him exactly what we are supposed to be avoiding.
Sorry, but I do not agree.

While I agree with the OP that this is a compelling story with a strong message about how grace can change a person's life, I would NOT recommend this movie. In my opinion, based on this movie, it is obvious that Hugh Jackman and Russell Crowe cannot sing. Much of their singing was physically painful. And, the movie is way too long.

Just my opinion.

Thanks Joseph and no need to be sorry about not agreeing. I think that the best way to ensure that our youth (and not kids) are protected from evil is to ensure that they understand it and recognize it for the destructive force it plays in our lives. As for "debauchery" well it goes on in the cities and towns of our world every day. Not to mention at our universities and our colleges. So, in any fight you need to know your enemy... it assists in coming out victorious.

I agree that parents still need to show discernment as to how and when the present ideas or movies to youth but, to my mind, preparation and knowledge is far better then being unprepared and mostly naive. And knowing about a thing does not mean you have to partake in the thing... We know about suicide but this doesn't compel undertaking the act. In the world and not of it... knowing the world and its evils but not partaking of them... In that way, we are better equipped to avoid the pitfalls and better able to provide meaningful answers about a better Way to live.

In any case, I think we both strive for the same result in the end... ensuring that our loved one come to Christ. Cheers.

Seeing the struggles between the 2 main characters as a struggle between slavish adherence to law and redemptive grace is one way to look at it. But as Christians usually do when contemplating art they often miss oblique or other interpretive understandings. Another way to view the character Javert is to see the folly of an unyielding and rigid view of life that does not allow for reconsidering or adaptation. I know this is going to sound like "as
Confucious say", but when a storm or trauma comes upon a forest, The trees that are usually uprooted and that don't survive are the biggest, most rigid ones, because they can't bend with the wind. It seems like it was that way in Hugo's depiction of Javert as well. If you live long enough and you are at all thoughtful in your faith, you will change your mind about some things that you previously thought were unchangeable. Don't let it break you.

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