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June 11, 2013

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I agree whole-heartedly with the notions mentioned above regarding the need to educate and train the young people in our culture well on issues of faith and reason, and why Christianity matters. I'm wondering though if the focus should be more on training fathers directly so that they do this kind of training in the home, as opposed to, say, focusing on training youth directly with youth ministers to do what dad isn't. What do you think?

I think Paul has hit on a nerve here. For too many Christian families, fathers have abdicated their leadership role (and too many mothers are trying to fill that gap.) Robust discussions around the dinner table about issues of real importance have all but vanished in the modern household, and teachable moments with our children are often missed in our quest to fill our calendars! So I would say YES, teach the fathers how to engage their kids in the kind of talk that can prepare them and strengthen them in a world all too eager to strip them of their values and beliefs!

Brother J.,

What are your thoughts on the idea of doing away with segregated-type ministries (i.e., youth ministry, children's ministry, etc.) and instead the church places the emphasis on families fulfilling these roles in homes and replaces these with corporate worship together as one body?

That's not to suggest such an extreme position as some in the "Family Integrated" circle have gone to, but I get the sense that this is growing in the American Church, and I guess I'm not 100% sure what my thoughts are on it...

self-refuting secular notions related to truth, tolerance and the primacy of scientific naturalism

Suppose this accurately picks out some instances where some people are wrong about some things.

Does that make Christianity true?

Tiresome, predictable.

Did you mean to say something like this, Carolyn?

Before we can talk to someone about the truth of Christianity, Ron, we have to correct any misconceptions they may have about what truth is.

Paul and Carolyn:

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/parents-are-still-the-first-line-of-defense/

No, not actually. Countless times here the subjects of truth, tolerance, secularism, and the like have been discussed ad infinitum. Your worldview does not allow anything spiritually derived, so it is futile to repeatedly address these things in response to a question you pose. Derailing the subject at hand seems to be a favorite tactic, taking us onto rabbit trails where we can never satisfactorily answer you because of said worldview. It's most tiresome and predictable. Many people here have earnestly engaged you at length, putting a considerable amount of time, care, and effort into addressing your queries, Ron, only to realize days later that we've often drifted way off topic!

Clearly the author of this post is discussing the subject of properly equipping our young people to be able to stand up in the world and defend Christianity, and how our youth groups need to prepare them for that. That they are in a continual mode of learning Truth from their earliest days is part and parcel of being involved in life as a Christian. Given your opposition to everything Christianity professes, one has to wonder why you would enter the dialogue at all...I, for one, would love to know the answer!

Your worldview does not allow anything spiritually derived, so it is futile to repeatedly address these things in response to a question you pose.

Pretend, then that the question came from somewhere else. And, keep the answer to yourself.

If you are worried about staying on topic, here's a tip: I'm not the topic.


No, indeed you are not! No bites today on the bait.

Mr. Wallace, I think your observations are spot on. I especially like the concept of training as opposed to just teaching. I'm thinking that this could apply even to the younger set in simple ways to get youth comfortable with the training format. Like everything else, practice is essential in gaining confidence and clarity of purpose. It's also an enjoyable way to learn, embracing role-playing and injecting challenges along the way. If kids learn this early on, it will be a common experience as they mature and they will become more and more adept at it. And they will learn a lot from each other as well.

BTW, Mr. Wallace, thank you for the link to the discussion you had with the woman whose daughter let her know she was leaving Christianity. I only wish the issues between parents and children were always this cut and dried because not all young people are as forthright about their decisions! But that's another story. Your words were spoken with wisdom, and I pray that the mother of that young woman took them to heart. Thanks for the insights!

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