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February 17, 2014

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So DOMA is an invention of the media? All of the states where Christians are trying to ammend state constitutions are media inventions?

This response totally and completely misses the point of the objection.

Obviously non Christian people are not concerned with what happens in church small groups. They are concerned with what happens in the public space.

And here, there is no question that Christians are focusing heavily on abortion and gay marriage.

Are we to believe STR is unaware of this?

We do wink at certain sins, and we shouldn't, but no one is trying to pass laws making fornication equal to marriage or making it illegal to refuse to do business with gossips. That's where the attention is coming from.

In generations past, same-sex relationships were made illegal -- and so were, in different areas, cursing, drinking, fornication, adultery, and usery. The laws were passed and people moved on.

Homosexuality and abortion have become the subject of so much focus now as a reaction against what's happening in our culture, not because we just really like talking about them.

If homosexuals, their supporters, the media and Hollywood would stop shoving this lifestyle in our faces day and night and demanding we accept it and celebrate it, then we wouldn't have to be talking about it.

@ brgulker

"And here, there is no question that Christians are focusing heavily on abortion and gay marriage."


So Christians are supposed to just sit there and be silent while these behaviors are forced upon the entire culture, whether people agree with them or not?

"So DOMA is an invention of the media? All of the states where Christians are trying to ammend state constitutions are media inventions?"

@brgulker, by definition, DOMA is strategically a reactionary effort...it is a defenseive move. Christians haven't been instigating the fight upon a docile opposition, quite the contrary.

"We do wink at certain sins, and we shouldn't, but no one is trying to pass laws making fornication equal to marriage or making it illegal to refuse to do business with gossips. That's where the attention is coming from."

@ChrisB, I think your post reflects what I say above to "brgulker", but I hope you aren't saying that the Church should be proactively focusing on civil matters. When you say "we wink at sin", I dont know if you mean that we the Church, or we individual Christians in general, wink.

I just hope to get clarity about what your mean, is it: a)since it appears that there aren't civil laws against fornication and adultery etc... that we Christians are winking at sin? or is it b)since fornicators and adulterers etc... are not disciplined in the visible Church then we are winking at sin?

If a, I disagree that the one is evidence of the other, if b, I am in full agreement, but sadly am in no way suprised that the culture without is in no wise restrained when at the same time the Church of God cannot/will not "remove the wicked man from among yourselves".

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