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March 24, 2014

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The fight right now in our society is over baby-killing and the normalization of homosexuality. If you're not fighting where the fight is, you're not fighting at all but showing cowardice.

Evangelical Christianity for the most part has shown itself impotent in its offer of the gospel to those who struggle with SSA and families who have been impacted by this sin. Evangelicals are losing this battle for marriage and family.

Many churches choose to ignore this issue or dismiss it as not a priority. Gays are the modern day Samaritans. Conservative Christianity simply walks around the issue and indicts the gay movement as a lost cause.

STR does an outstanding job of framing and clarifying. But this is only a beginning step in addressing homosexuality in our culture.

One more point I would like to make. The reason for impotence among evangelicals in their fight for marriage and family is there own hypocrisy. Look around you. How many divorces, co-habitation, unwed mothers, pre-marital sex do you see among your members? Why do evangelicals scorn gays but not these other groups of the sexually and relationally broken? The hypocrisy leads to impotence.

Spot on phyte.

As I see it, when society sanctions and promotes Homosexuality, it is a clear sign the wrath and judgment of God has fallen on the people.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Also, Abortion, though not listed in Romans 1, is there by association: A hardness of heart exists beyond any other. When a mother can uproot and destroy the life of her most innocent simply as a means of birth control.

This hardness of heart and endless debate to justify the practice I believe stems from God's judgment on a people.

Good points all. Phyte On, I think you nailed it; we can hardly point out the sin of homosexuality when our own lives are saturated with other blatant sins. Unless those sins become a shared platform for repentance with those involved in homosexuality, the hypocrisy will overshadow our efforts. It's time for a real revival for the church--calling sin what it is and being obedient to turn from those sins which so easily entangle us. If, indeed, it is the time of judgment from God, then we have no one to blame for our personal contribution to it but ourselves. He WILL separate the wheat from the chaff and He WILL gather the spotless bride from the peoples of this earth. We need to take very seriously His call to holiness and be willing to accept responsibility for our transgressions and eager to repent of them.

I stopped going to church a longtime ago because of the climate spoken of here, and other more serious reasons. I believe the root of the problem is with a theology and evangelistic method that appeals to the "tares" (Mt 13:25), or impostors who blanket the pews.

Even in the Apostle Paul's time there were moral problems in some of the churches. But when the fruit of the Holy Spirit and a love of the truth go missing, I believe it is safe to assume the wrath and judgment of God has fallen here too.

Let he who is without sin...

Re: "Let he who is without sin..."

Why not "let he who is with sin Repent..."

"Let he who is without sin..."

Ironically this statement is itself a statement of judgment.

Darth Dutch

Phyte said,
"Evangelicals are losing this battle for marriage and family. Many churches choose to ignore this issue or dismiss it as not a priority."

Phyte, one reason churches have lost this battle is because they have "over" supported marriage and family.

That practice and habit is in contradiction to the Bible, which says in 1 Cor. 7 that in some ways, singleness is more profitable than marriage (which is not to say it is wrong for singles to desire or pursue marriage).

There is no preaching or practical support in regards to adult celibacy among most Christians today.

I am over 40 and still a virgin. I've not had sex yet because I was waiting until marriage. Preachers rarely address people in my situation, people who are adults who had hoped to marry, but are still celibate because they are still single.

There are no sermons that give support or encouragement to adult singles.

Most churches, preachers, and Christian organizations constantly support and write about marriage and "family" but they ignore adult singles, when not out right insulting and demeaning singleness.

There is also much false teaching about adult celibacy among Christians.

I am celibate because I have chose to remain faithful to the Bible's teachings about sex, NOT because "God gifted me with celibacy" or "empowered me" for it. I have a sexual drive. I have sexual desire.

I point this out, because many Christian, even men who work as preachers, incorrectly assume if you are still a virgin past the age of 30 or so, it's because you lack a sex drive, or that God magically removes libido and sexual desire from an adult single who is over 30 years of age - this is FALSE.

So long as Christians keep talking about marriage exclusively, and ignoring singlehood, and acting as though adult singleness and celibacy are second rate statuses, or not as good as marriage, the homosexual militants will make in-roads in the church.

Instead of telling homosexuals to "change their orientation" try reminding them that all singles are to refrain from sexual behavior, homosexuals as well as heterosexuals.

Evangelicals, Baptists, and other Christians today do NOT support adult singles, nor do they support the idea of life long celibacy or those who are actually living the celibate life past age 25.

That is one big reason why Christians today have lost the war on homosexuality.

Where the church fails to support and encourage adult, hetero celibate singles and the concept of celibacy and singlehood, they will lose ground to the homosexual militant movement.

Phyte, you said,
One more point I would like to make. The reason for impotence among evangelicals in their fight for marriage and family is there own hypocrisy. Look around you. How many divorces, co-habitation, unwed mothers, pre-marital sex do you see among your members? Why do evangelicals scorn gays but not these other groups of the sexually and relationally broken? The hypocrisy leads to impotence.

That related to what I just posted above.

The church does not support adults such as myself who have remained virgins due to remaining single into adulthood.

They slather messages of forgiveness on people who fall into sexual sin (such as adultery, or hetero pre-marital sex), but no support is given to hetero adults who are single and abstaining sexually.

Some famous Christians have gone so far as to insult singleness and adult singles themselves, while other famous Christian personalities (some with popular blogs) actually have started to lambast and insult the concepts of sexual purity and virginity in the last few years.

The reason they do this is that some very outspoken Christian liberals or feminists have been blogging the last few years how badly it hurts their feelings, or shames them, when they hear preachers, or other Christians, speak out against sexual sin, including consensual, pre marital sex.

So now, even conservative Christians (famous ones) are basically telling the rest of the Christian community that virginity is not a big deal, so what if people (hetero people) have sex prior to marriage, etc.

Their views about sexual sin have become very, very dismissive, and they have lowered the importance of virginity and celibacy for hetero-sexuals.

When the church gets lax about sexual sin in regards to hetero sexuals, and ignores the adult hetero singles among them (which they do in fact do, all attention is given to married couples), don't be surprised when the homosexual militants have an easier time propagandizing the church in favor of homosexuality.

I think telling people God forgives them of sexual sin is all well and good, but things have swung to the other extreme now, where Christians are saying sexual sin is really no big deal.

Christians are not calling out hetero sexual sex sins as being sins because they are afraid of shaming or hurting the feelings of hetero sexual sinners.

Then you have Christians who are still single and virgins past the ages of 30, 35, 40, and older, and we get no support at all in our quest to stay sexually pure.

We older adult celibates actually hear opposing messages that give me the message I might as well start having sex outside of marriage, since God is so forgiving of it, according to the Christian sexual sin apologists.

@christianpundit: You've pointed out something which sounds very accurate. There is rarely a call from the pulpit to sexual purity in general, and almost never is there support mentioned for the adults who practice that purity. While I don't think the pastoral assumption is that those people should just go ahead and get involved with someone sexually, (since "God will just forgive them anyway"), I do think there is a glaring lack of addressing the issue to singles of all ages. Your post made me sadly aware of how seldom I hear a message about the single life--its hardships as well as its advantages. But you make a great point that not all those who are single are single by choice--some have just not yet found their desired spouse. Surely the sexual burden you and others face is very difficult in our sex saturated culture--and the call to purity SHOULD be addressed in the church. Singles should be valued and treated as contributing, appreciated members of the body and their adherence to a celibate lifestyle should be applauded and held in esteem.

Thank you for pointing out how much that message needs to be made. The fortunate person who will be your spouse will hold you in the highest honor and regard for the sacrifice you've made to be pure. You could be a great role model for today's youth who are scrambling to rush into sex ten minutes after they meet someone because they, too, have that mentality which you mentioned about lack of respect for purity. I encourage you to stand firm in the faith and hold fast to your convictions for they are biblical and right. Many could learn from your discipline and diligent struggle. God bless you.

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