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June 07, 2016

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Is faith a condition we must meet in order to save ourselves? Or is it a characteristic God produces in the lives of those whom he saves? We can understand "whoever believes will be saved" either way. That is; as a condition we must meet in order to save ourselves. Or a characteristic of Grace in the life of those whom God saves.

If faith is a condition we must meet in order to save ourselves, we will trust in it as what saves us. In this case "free will" becomes the idol we trust in. And we only trust in Christ in a secondary sense to honor his word and save us based on our choice to believe.

If faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, then it cannot originate in us but requires first having the Holy Spirit. It then shows in our faithful lifestyle as an effect and not the cause of salvation. “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22)

Why do Calvinist have to ruin everything? Having faith in/faith that God does the saving is not a work or an effort to save oneself. It is simply trusting God and taking him at his word. We believe in and trust that God saves, He does the work of bring that salvation to fruition. Why can't you just relax, believe and trust God for his promises made in Christ. It's not like your Calvinism will change what God does whether I believe of my own free will or God forces me to believe in order to get the glory.

@ the Chairman;

If you believe your "free will" act moved Christ to save you, that is what you trust in. Sounds like idol worship to me...

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