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June 01, 2005

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Iam not believe the God till I have a purpose.,Iam struggling from last 50 years to search who created this unverse?,how I to create value for myself? can I live without illusion, because I think God is greatest illusion.

Allow me to quote you on something here: "simply believing something doesn't make it true.". Well my boy, you said it all. Even if atheist (or any denomination for non-theist you wish) believe their lives have meaning, they don't, much in the same way there's no such thing as white bearded, asexual, invisible man in the sky, regardless of how much someone wants it, wish it and pray it to be.

Then again, I should explain myself: when I say that atheist's lives (or for that matter, anyone's life, atheist, christian or otherwise) are meaningless, I say it under the understanding that the concept "meaning" is to be taken as something intrinsic, which is to say, as an essential and irrevocable part of life. Yes, our lives are completely devoid of any intrinsic meaning, purpose or reason, we're here cuz we're here and that's the double truth, and we can try to wish it or pray it away, or even delude ourselves off of it, but thats the way the cookie crumbles.

Now, extrinsically, we have plenty of meaning. "I'm here to be happy and live life to the fullest"; "We're here make our world a better place that we found it";
"We're just stumps drifting in a river"; "We are here because god loves us and thus allowed us to live here". Catch my drift so far?

Life, like ouroburos, is self sufficient: it devours itself in order to perpetuate itself, only to repeat the cycle, endlessly, and no more. Yes, we have no reason to live at all; animals do it on instinct. And we, well, we have a bigger burden called a self- conscience. We evolved over the placid domain of instinct and are thus in the need to make our existence "worthy", that is, worth live for. Oh, sweet prince, you knew this all too well:

"To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
To die: to sleep;"

And so, can any of us dare say that our lives 'mean' anything, 'matters' for anything or is it 'worth' an ol' cat's whiskers to anyone but ourselves and our loved ones? Comments and thoughts appreciated, even if they, like this, will mean nothing.

I believe the idea of life having any purpose is a delusion. I do not consider myself to be atheist (the term being merely a negation), but I do not believe in a personal God and basing my faith and beliefs on linear logical reasoning, I cannot assume that life has any purpoe either. This has been a struggle with which to come to terms, but once you realize that you might as well be dead, and that it isn't really a bad thing, it opens up a lot of room in your life for growth and happiness. There's too much fear instilled in us about death and an afterlife. If you're wrong about a God and a Heaven(I'm in no postition to say you are) it's not the end once you die. Energy cannot be destroyed, and it will be sustained and reused even after 'you' as you know yourself is gone. The same is true for a swarm of mosquitos, or an ant, or a dog, or any single-celled organism- all of which whose lives are sustained contently without any perceived purpose.

There are many things I could perceive to be an intended purpose for my life. My purpose, I chose, could be to find happiness, to marry and have children, or, if I may, serve God and go to Heaven. The problem with this is that, while all substantial goals, none of them are any more than a perception of an indefinitive concept. (a 'purpose', of course, being the concept.) I can't be happy with my life pretending that a concept is everything to live for when I know logically that it's nothing at all. Therefore, I am pleased to say I am happy with simply being, and nothing more.

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