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August 25, 2006

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I read the Jesus Papers. It's a pretty bad book. Question though: If objections 1-4 were answered, and 75% of document scholars said the document was legit - would it really matter to anyone at all?

Tony,

Yes, it would matter. I, for one, am not afraid of the truth.

Now let me reverse the question: Why is it that guys like you keep searching for (and sometimes fabricating) ways to debunk Christianity even though you keep failing? Is no amount of evidence good enough?

You know, I get it, you don't believe; that makes you feel important. More power to ya. I tremble to think about your situation when the time comes when you'll realize that you forfeited your soul for the very weak reasons you are always giving.

>> Why is it that guys like you keep searching for (and sometimes fabricating) ways to debunk Christianity even though you keep failing?

If by "debunking" you mean "offering sophisticated objections that indicate a world view is unfounded" then i think i do a good job at that actually.

"Is no amount of evidence good enough?"

If you read morelands book on NDE’s (or follow the NDE research) there are a number of experiments being done around the US in which messages are placed in an upfacing position above an operating table – so that NDE’s could reportedly read them and then tell the doctor what they saw floating above the bed, hence proving optical reception in OBE's ie souls – an oft claimed phenomenon. But unfortunately to date, no one has got the sentence right – which to me makes NDE’s highly suspect. If NDE patients were getting these messages right consistently (thousands of times) I would convert to one of the exclusive religions – probably Christianity, cuz that would prove that souls exist to me.

That's something like the amount of evidence i would need.

Didn't Baigent sue DaVinci Code author Dan Brown, alleging plagerism?

I submit that Baigent is trying to get some of the play that Brown's book (and subsequent movie) generated. Its all part and parcel of the same conspiracy theory.

"If objections 1-4 were answered, and 75% of document scholars said the document was legit - would it really matter to anyone at all?"

Tony, good to see you again. It's been a while.

I guess it would depend on what you meant by "legit". To say it is a legitimate ancient document would be one thing. To say that it is the legitimate writing of Jesus of Nazareth would be another, much different, claim.

From what is written in the article (haven't read the book)the first seems extremely unlikely and the 2nd near impossible.

As an aside, has anyone ever noticed that you never see Tony and Alan in the same thread at the same time?

hahahaaa

do you mean alan that guy who always has like the cookie cutter liberal view....i think....

:)

well good god that's not me.

ya i've been gone a while - travellin the world. in prague at the moment.

http://www.glasskite.com/pics/index.htm

You've got a good eye. I like the wheat one, the hills and the road that leads into the mountain.

May God give you safe passage home. And may there be no snakes on your plane.

oh hell ya!

Believe you me, i convert to christianity, pray, and hold JP morelands book in my hand on every takeoff!!!!!

i really do i'm seriously not kidding. death and planes scare the crap out of me

"death and planes scare the crap out of me"... which seems odd,Tony, if you are no more or less than an alternate construct of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. I wonder if pencils are afraid to break in half, etc...

Tony, you sick freak!

Good to "see" you. To cure your fear of flying, I suggest skydiving once or twice. You will love it.

"If NDE patients were getting these messages right consistently (thousands of times) I would convert to one of the exclusive religions"

lol...Well at least your idea of evidence is within reason...but, are you sure you wouldn't Flanders the evidence?

In the above post is my attempt at sarcasm (I never no how I'm being understood on these blogs)

"SICK FREAK" You're callin me a sick freak!!!!!

THE CORRECT EXPRESSION IS: "INSANE FREAK"!!!!!

Get it right next time!

Yes even though I am C N O H, I sure as hell dont want to be just that!!! I want to be an angel when i die. But i dont think its true so death scares me.

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Yes i would "flanders" the evidence for the first 100 or so journal articles. But after that, i'd be forced to admit that the optics at play in an OBE are such that cognizant recognition of a light source eminating opposite the location of the actual eye, exists. This would indeed BREAK the laws of physics as we know them and would be in the miracle category...for me at least. Ya some die-hards would still deny it but that would be enough for me

on a side note - i was thinking yesterday that since JP thinks chimpanzees have souls one could put a chimp on an operating table, momentarily stop its pulse, breathing etc, and above the chimp put 2 hanging baskets. One of which contains fruit, the other contains nothing.

THen when you bring the chimp back, let him heel, and record to which basket he attempts to grab from the ceiling first.

If the chimp had an OBE, he should grab the basket with fruit more often than the one without - assuming he saw the basket contencts when floating above them.

heehee

Don't be fooled. Tony Montano is not really a human being. "Tony" is just a sophisticated computer program that STR purchased to help give Christian aplogists some intellectual exercise. :)

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