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August 31, 2006

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Well folks, if you are willing to take the blinders off, this is how the winners try to rewrite history. The above post is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who has been following the Katrina story. The link below is still free (I don't know how long) and gives a pretty balanced view.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1153035852800798154&q=tvshow%3ACharlie_Rose

(For those interested there is an interview with Rick Warren a few episodes down.)

Note the absence of the names of any Federal officials in Melinda's post. This a pretty strong hint that we are seeing the spin that prevaricates.

There is blame enough to go around (Nagan appears to be a jerk) but a disaster of this scale is the provence of FEMA and the failures are massive and on going. The city is still not getting enough aid.

This takes nothing away from the Coast Guard who everyone agrees did great in spite of everything and the National Guard's performance.

I don't care how invested we are in a party or ideology there should be a time when the scales fall from ones eyes. There is a post referring to Whittaker Chambers below.

He tells a story (I believe it was in Witness but might have been in Cold Friday or one of his National Review articles) about a woman whose father had been a devoted Communist and who was living in the Soviet Union during the Stalin Purges. He had suddenly left the Party and his daughter, when asked why, simply replied , "one night he heard screaming".

Katrina was such a moment for many in this country. The truth became too obvious and painful to ignore. For others, not.

Alan Aronson wrote: "Note the absence of the names of any Federal officials in Melinda's post. This a pretty strong hint that we are seeing the spin that prevaricates."
Alan,

While I respectfully disagree with the pessimistic, anti-government spirit of your post, your comment above is just factually wrong. Melinda's post references an article with the names of plenty of Federal officials of which she cites a statement by Jack Harrison of the National Guard. Perhaps you missed that.

How can you state that the rescue efforts provided to Katrina victims was positive? Was I the only person who watched as news cameras captured endless video of men, women, and children holed up in stifling and trash-filled stadiums? Was I the only person who teared up after the hear the stories of mothers losing children in the rush of waters and children being separated from their mothers? What frustrates me is that people try to make this is a political issue! The disaster that was Katrina negatively affected thousands of lives. The fact that the rescue efforts were not sufficient to effectively aid thousands of families has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the conditions of the hearts of men, who care more about the superficial and the unimportant systems and structures of society than they do about making sure lives are counted valuable. The fact is that the wards with the most devastating floods where inhabited by people who, for the most part, were poor and disadvantaged in a number of ways. The faulty levees caused the problem, folks. That is not a political issue - that is an economic and social issue. The Republicans didn't cause the problem, nor did the Democrats. The lack of planning and the lack of foresight and the lack of compassion are what caused the problem and are the reason that a year later, many folks still are feeling the negative effects of this disasterous storm. Don't expound on who saved what and how many were where being heroes during the storm. It doesn't matter, because it just was not enough!

Yes FEMA had perhaps its darkest hour but an interesting thing about Katrina in general and New Orleans in particular. It appears that a great many of the people there made no effort to leave. Some obviously could not (disabled, elderly, etc) but others certainly could have.

What was different about this hurricane there versus others in the past (in Florida) where we were treated to news footage of lines of cars following hurricane evacuation routes inland?

At what point does the prudent person say "Hmmm, maybe I need to do something about getting out of here NOW"?

Why was (and is) the situation in western Mississippi so different from Louisiana?

How do you make someone leave who does not want to? Shoot them? Arrest them?

No, you were not the only person that heard countless stories of terror and anguish. There _were_ countless stories of terror and anguish; and there was even a lot of actual terror and anguish.

Of course, we now know that much of the worst stories were merely tales; much of the in-depth reporting was simply repeating rumors. Our disaster response, even though it was quicker and more complete than its performance in any before, still proved that it lacked the ability to deal with a truly large disaster (a critical failure, considering how much we paid for it!), and even more insultingly, our official disaster response depended for information on news reporters who were making up stories for the sake of sensationalism.

(I'm not claiming that people didn't suffer -- I'm claiming that they suffered primarily because of a massive natural disaster. The government's incompetence didn't cause the sufferring, nor did the press' craven rumormongering.)

-Billy

Alan:"I don't care how invested we are in a party or ideology there should be a time when the scales fall from ones eyes. "

There comes a time Alan, when every preacher who wants to be taken seriously, must indeed practice that which they demand in others. Your day has come.

Brother Patrick, my day came a while back. While I voted for Gore, I was willing to give Bush a chance after 9/11 and I was willing to give Iraq a chance due to Powell and Blair.

What did I get? Given a united nation, Bush chose to use 9/11 as a wedge for partisan gain. We got tax cuts for the top in a time of war and unparalleled corruption.

Our soldiers and marines were sent into battle without a plan or the proper euqipment and hacks like Franks were put in charge while general officers like Shinseki were silenced or ignored.

There was cause for concern from the start in Iraq and it became increasingly obvious that we were dealing with ideological cant and gross incompetence. By the early summer of 2004 it was obvious we were going to lose the war.

Meanwhile back at home we had legislative atrocities like the medicare drug bill and the bankruptcy bill all seasoned with more corruption.

After the usual Rove dirty/stolen election we had the year begin with the throughly dishonest Schaivo fiasco followed by the attempt to kill Social Security.

Katrina was the icing on the cake. During 2005 it was becoming clear to more and more folks that Bush was an empty suit, an incompetent, goofy sort of guy who had no business being President.

I just woke up a little sooner.

Just found these words of wisdom.

“People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election.”

--Otto von Bismark

Alan,
Can we just get this over with already? Bush stole the 2000/2004 elections. He was in on the planning of 9/11. He lied about WMD and went to war in Iraq for oil. He is listening to all our phone calls and is reading this blog as we type. He has access to all our financial records and is making a database from which he will go door to door, kicking in the door without knocking and placing all liberals in GITMO for torture and beheading. After that he’ll declare a Theocracy and place Jerry Falwell in charge of the State Church. All who don’t attend will be beheaded. For lunch, he counts his Haliburton profits and eats a kosher meal with his Israeli handler. For dinner he counts his EXXON profits and relaxes by the fire, reading his Bible. At night he says his State mandated prayers and goes to sleep. He dreams of a world at constant war - where he can be President for life. He awakes to authorize the bombing on innocent women and children in Iraq and keeps the Special Forces group from capturing his friend Osama. Later he will increase carbon dioxide output via his big business contacts. He then uses his hurricane machine located in the basement of the White House to create natural disasters targeting minorities and the poor. Did I miss any of your rants?

"While I voted for Gore, I was willing to give Bush a chance after 9/11"
You voted for Gore, that explains a lot. You were willing to give the man you hate and who stole the election a chance? I’m afraid your bias was evident well before 9/11 or Iraq.

"What did I get? Given a united nation, Bush chose to use 9/11 as a wedge for partisan gain."
No, Bush chose to take an aggressive approach to a terrorist attack on American soil and chose Iraq and Afghanistan as strategic locations to counter an ongoing threat to the country he swore to protect. It has been the left who continually uses Iraq for partisan gain.

"We got tax cuts for the top in a time of war and unparalleled corruption."

Do you mean the tax cuts which increased the revenue to federal government and in turn reduced the deficit. The tax cuts that have stimulated the economy, an economy with record low unemployment (statistically zero unemployment) and record high first time home ownership among minorities? Do you mean those tax cuts?

"Our soldiers and marines were sent into battle without a plan or the proper euqipment and hacks like Franks were put in charge while general officers like Shinseki were silenced or ignored. There was cause for concern from the start in Iraq and it became increasingly obvious that we were dealing with ideological cant and gross incompetence. By the early summer of 2004 it was obvious we were going to lose the war."

Obvious to who, the Bush hating left? Lets'try this one more time, in just 3 years Iraq has gone from a brutal dictatorship where mass graves and torture rooms were the rule and WMDs were used against its own citizens, to an elected form of government with a constitution and a glimpse of hope for its people. Let me remind you of the unrest in Germany following the second world war in which the "insurgency" was active for 10 years post the fall of Nazi Germany. The government in Iraq is actually coming to fruition faster than our very own. The “failure” in Iraq is obvious only to those who think that George W. Bush is the true source of evil in the world. That would be the kook left.

"Meanwhile back at home we had legislative atrocities like the medicare drug bill and the bankruptcy bill all seasoned with more corruption.After the usual Rove dirty/stolen election we had the year begin with the throughly dishonest Schaivo fiasco followed by the attempt to kill Social Security.”

I guess when a president acts presidential and tackles the tough issues like Medicare and Social InSecurity and addresses the failures of said systems some people may use words like atrocity. Wow, I guess allowing me to invest my own money is a bad thing? But allowing the government to take my money, which they had no part in earning and redistribute my money to those who had no part in earning it is a good thing. Making sure people have barely enough to survive and keeping them enslaved to the federal government is the real atrocity. With fewer lower and middle income people even paying taxes it won’t take long before we won’t have to “kill Social Insecurity” it will die on its own. Then I guess the left will have one more thing to blame on Bush.

“Katrina was the icing on the cake. During 2005 it was becoming clear to more and more folks that Bush was an empty suit, an incompetent, goofy sort of guy who had no business being Pressident.”

Katrina was the demonstration of the utter failure of the liberal Democratic ideology. New Orleans was a utopia for the left, 60 plus years of almost complete Democratic control with people dependant on the government for their very existence. The result was what we saw in the days following the hurricane, people unable to prepare and unable to take care of themselves due to a complete reliance on the government. Local and state governments totally unprepared despite years of federal money for levy strengthening and then of course the medias’ drumbeat of blame for the President. The people of Mississippi were also struck by Katrina, actually they took more of a direct impact than New Orleans and yet we hear little from the media about the people of Mississippi and their resolve to rebuild their state. I wonder why that is, could it be a different mentality as to the role of government in a citizens’ life and the need for self reliance. By the way, Mississippi has a Republican governor, I’m just sayin’…
The real empty suits and incompetant goofballs were sitting in the Governors mansion and in the City Hall building in New Orleans.

“I just woke up a little sooner.”

Brother, you may have woke up a little sooner but it appears your still dreaming.

Hi john, this drops off soon and so i'll just point out the latest quarterly report from the Pentagon - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060901/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq

The rest of your post is about as accurate an evaluation as is your evaluation of the war.

That you find it hard to comprehend that I could vote for one person and then support the one I didn't vote for in a national crisis is a little strange and is perhaps what's wrong with the current conservative/Republican/Christianist approach to politics.

I don't hate Bush personally, I don't know him afterall. I do know how he has governed and I don't much like it.

One thing though, you mentioned beheading twice. Do you think about the topic much?

Oops, that was me, my bad.

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