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July 10, 2007

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Oh, what a beautiful kitty! I'm sorry.

It's always sad to lose a pet, but I hope you didn't mean to exalt your grief over the loss of an animal to the same grief I felt over my loss of a parent.

Yeah, you can call me insensitive, but it's not the same. We can demean the imago Dei when we place a disproportionate value on the loss of things.

Chris: No one is claiming any such thing. Expressing sympathy for someone's loss - whatever that may be - is not the same as comparing it to a loss of a greater sort.

It's fine if you don't agree with that. But adding salt to someone's wound when you can see they are already sad is pointless and downright cruel.

(This is the first and last time I'll be addressing you, as I am not going to make a big uproar here. But I'm not going to stand by and listen to somene make a comment like this and stay silent.)

Melinda, tears last for an evening, and joy comes in the morning! Pets are so cool! I am sorry you had to say farewell to your Jake.

Chris,
with all due respect - you've been a !@#$%& KNUCKLEHEAD. If you have wife, please let her teach you about sensitivity. My wife has taught me some on that. Even if you thought you had a good point, you don't correct someone like that in the midst of sadness, lest YOU demean the imago dei.

C'mon dude. Time to apologize to our very gracious host.

Chris,

I don't know what your problem is, but I never even hinted at such a thing. I never exalted the loss of my cat over the loss of any human being. I know that there are many people suffering intrinsically worse losses than I am, but that doesn't mean my loss isn't real. I've lost my own dad, too, and recognize the qualitative and quantitative difference in what I lost in my dad and my cat. But that doesn't mean the pain and loss isn't valid. It's possible to acknowledge the pain of any loss and be empathetic while also being able to distinguish the intrinsic value of what was lost. Most people could instinctively recognize that.

To borrow Dennis Prager's illustration, if my cat and my niece were both drowning and I could save only one, I'd save my niece without a second thought. But while being grateful for her safety I'd grieve my cat. It's possible to recognize both. God knows when a sparrow falls even thought He created human beings in His image.

Take a look at our larger body of work on the website and blog. We defend vigorously the intrinsic value of human beings. For heaven's sake, I euthanized my cat yesterday but I didn't euthanize my dad who died of cancer because their intrinsic value is qualitatively different.

I'm sorry for your loss Melinda. I have a 14 year old dog who's been on the verge of passing away for about a year now and it's just terrible being in suspense of an expected outcome. My condolences go out to you.

Sorry for your loss, Melinda. As you might remember from my tribute to Sidney, I know well the pain that losing a furred or feathered companion can create. You have my sincere sympathy.

So sorry for your loss...They just become part of the family..It took me a whole year to get over my dog who lived to be 17 years old..That is a quarter of ones life if you think about it (humans live to be around 80 typically)....You are in my prayers.

Chris,

That was an insensitive remark to write to her during this time and you are an incompetent judge of her heart. But enough of what you wrote lets come back to Melinda’s blog: Thanks to the medication it was able to squeeze out a few more days so you can have some closure.

“The heart knows its own bitterness, and no stranger shares its joy.” [Proverbs 14:10]

Chris,

I'm with you.

Melinda,
What a pretty kitty. I am so sad for you. It's always so tough to do the right thing for our pets when they are suffering. You were brave to do this for her. Blessings, Lori

We are so sorry for you, we have cats, dogs and fish. Pet lovers truly suffer as we say good bye and send them home. Praise God for all the great memories of all the pets that have filld our lives with love and joy. God bless you and ease your pain.

Rick, Marie and Ricky K

Melinda,
Thanks for letting us know. I had been wondering about you and your cat. I am sorry for your loss. You continue to be in my prayers.

To whomever is "with Chris"

you might get down to the local organ bank together, I understand that there is a buy one get one free sale on hearts this week.

I live in the same town as Betty White and Doris Day. I'm just so used to people going so overboard with pets it becomes ridiculous. At the same time human life has become so devalued. I was a 4-H kid and slaughtered several hogs that I had grown close to. I've lost two cats to predators in the last five years. I'll get a new one. If the mission of STR includes the sanctity of human life, then we have to look at societal attitudes that detract from it. This elevation of pets is a serious problem and "The Enforcer" needs to look at whether this was an appropriate posting. Sorry.

Dear Paul,

May I introduct you to Chris? Y'all would get along great.

No one here is elevating pets above humans, or even to an inappropriate degree. No one.

Paul
Melinda is merely sharing her loss over her cat. To compare that with secular attitudes that equate human loss with animal loss seems meddlesome and entirely unkindly. We are not talking about Peter Singer here, we are talking about a woman (Melinda) who has dedicated her life to Christ with an organization that has life as one of its top priorities.

You banana heads need to get your heads out of the legalistic sand. You tithe your thoughts of life and its sanctity, but neglect the weightier matters of the law. You should have done the one without neglecting the other.But go and learn this saying, He desires mercy, not sacrifice.

You have a hurting sister over a loss of a creature she cares about.

So if you say that you are sad that your pet of 18 years died, you are elevating animals over humans? That seems a bit extreme to me. Not to mention callous, insensative, and un-Christian.

The thought police aren't exclusively on the left are they?

Melinda,

As someone who has grown up surrounded by animals I loved, I am so sorry for your loss. I, too have shed many tears over my furry friends who have passed, so don't let any of the fools on this board make you feel bad about that :)

To Paul,

God is the Creator of, and cares for, ALL creatures and has placed within us the love He feels for them. It is less than coincidental that serial killers start their "careers" on animals before moving onto humans. I fear for the sanity of anyone who stops caring about animals.

However, even if you think you have a valid point to make, this is neither the time nor the place. Everything in life is not an exercise in intellectual superiority. So stop thinking for a minute and show some compassion!

Dear Melinda,
I am so sorry about the loss of your cat, Jake. When we lost Sam, our vet and his staff sent a card and in between tears, the final sentences comforted me. "Please do not grieve and when you remember me, please remember me with gladness."
Even now, the tears are in my eyes. Some day, we will be able to "remember with gladness." And so will you! But not today.

Very interesting and revealing. I believe I remember a show where Greg was speaking of how pets in our culture are viewed as food in other cultures. Who's right? Do we take a relativistic view? I guess if you live in the suburbs and have never been exposed to a working farm, or only see food animals at the package level in the supermarket, it's easy to take this sentimental view.

Dr. Lyn,
I'm sorry for your pain, but you do understand that Sam or any other animal is never capable of the sentiments expressed on that card. I only hope your vet didn't send it with the bill. I'm sure it was large.

"Very interesting and revealing. I believe I remember a show where Greg was speaking of how pets in our culture are viewed as food in other cultures. Who's right? Do we take a relativistic view? I guess if you live in the suburbs and have never been exposed to a working farm, or only see food animals at the package level in the supermarket, it's easy to take this sentimental view."

What working farm have you been exposed to that raised cats for food?

"I'm sorry for your pain, but you do understand that Sam or any other animal is never capable of the sentiments expressed on that card. I only hope your vet didn't send it with the bill. I'm sure it was large."

Thanks for that information Paul. I'm sure that Dr. Lyn was under the impression that the card was actually typed by her cat.


Thank you, Paul. I had a good laugh this morning over your comment.
God bless you for that!

So, Paul and Chris, tell me how lecturing Melinda, accusing her of elevating her cat to equal status to that of a human being, and belittling her grief can in any way be an application of the commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself."
You seem so concerned about how she may be "elevating" the cat, that somehow this justifies you demeaning her?

I do apologize for carrying this too far. My wife constantly reminds me on different things, "You are right, but you're still being a jerk." I don't know. Because of Greg, always had a certain vision of "Melinda the Enforcer". I'll make one final point: One definition of idolatry is elevating elements of creation outside of their proper order. There are many subjects where this applies, but in the last few decades, one of the greatest forms of idolatry I see in this culture can be found in pets, endangered species and the animal rights movement. I enjoy my border collie, Scout, but I've stressed to my kids that there are limits to what I will do for him. If he gets hit by a car and I'm looking at $500 in surgery, I will put him down in a heartbeat. That's why I maintain my fences while the neighbor's dogs are running around the streets. There is tremendous pressure in my area, especially from the vets, to pay whatever it takes. There are cats I know of that are recieving chemotherapy right now. This is ethically and morally reprehensible, but par for the course in a culture where pets have become idols. This is my last post on this subject, and again I apologize for being a jerk.

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