Greg talked about Lisa Miller's cover story offering a biblical defense of gay marriage. Interesting that the news weekly has gone into the theology business of biblical interpretation instead of simply reporting on what religious people believe and have done. In order to respond to the case Miller lays out, you have to first reconstruct the argument.
The argument in the story goes like this:
1. Opponents of same-sex marriage argue that we should follow the Bible’s definition of marriage.
2. But there is no clear biblical definition of marriage because variations abound in Scripture. Therefore, this argument fails.
3. The real reason religious conservatives are against same-sex marriage is they oppose homosexuality, a position they also think is biblical. But this is highly dubious. Biblical verses against homosexuality have probably been misunderstood or have been misapplied in our more modern, enlightened era.
4. However, there is an enduring principle in the Bible that can come to our aid to properly inform Bible believers on the right response to the question of same-sex marriage: the principle of love, inclusion, and community as family.
5. Therefore, the proper biblical response to same-sex marriage is to support it, because this would be consistent with love, inclusion, and expanding the definition of family to include more in our community.
There are three steps of critical thinking to evaluate the case Newsweek offers. Ask:
1. What do they want you to believe?
2. What are the reasons they offer in support of this idea they want you to believe?
3. Are the reasons good ones?
Greg walks through the answers to these questions in the podcast.
I read that article and was tearing my hair out at the "arguments" made, which are incredibly weak, but will unfortunately convince a lot of people who aren't willing to think very deeply about the issue. It's lack of any mention of the non-religious argument against same-sex marriage that Greg and many others have made repeatedly was also disappointing. Can't wait to listen to Greg's podcast.
Posted by: Adam | December 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I agree that the argument was insanely pathetic. It wasn't just the intellectual equivalent of building a house on the sand, but more like building a house in heavy surf! All that's really necessary to tear it to shreds is just to read the relevant passages in the Bible. No extra commentary is even needed!
Robert A. J. Gagnon has written an excellent and thorough response to the "expert" used in the article.
I saw one commenter on another blog argue that the Bible had been recently been changed to include homosexuality in the list of sins in 1st Corinthians 6:9 because the word "homosexuals" wasn't used in the King James translation. In researching this, I found two answers.
First, I checked the dictionary and found that the word "homosexual" didn't even appear in English until sometime between 1890 and 1905, making it impossible for it to be used back in 1611 when the KJV translation was first printed.
Second, I looked up the word translated as "homosexuals" in 1st Corinthians 6:9. It's “arsenokoites” (αρσενοκοιτης). It comes from two words, “arsen” (αρσεν) which means “man”, and “koite” (κοιτη) which means “bed”. It literally means “one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite.” (I found this in Thayer's Greek Lexicon.) So the concept was definitely there in the Greek even though the KJV didn't have an appropriate english word to use.
Posted by: Ed "What the" Heckman | December 15, 2008 at 11:16 PM
So, believing there is absolutey no purpose or design in our bodies is "enlightened?" The purpose of a homosexual relationship is....what again? Maybe I missed the Genesis verse that said be fruitful by the impossibility of multiplying. Or a husband shall cleve to his husband and two will become...what exactly?
I wonder why they never address the non-religious arguments like the self evident design of the male/female union. I guess its easier to attack religion than the obvious. Here's a question for the Newsweek article. "Do you think there is any reason at all for the complemetarity of the sexes both psychologically and physiologically, and the fact that it takes male and a female to produce and properly raise the next generation? That question will never be asked because it will always (in affirming a homosexual relationship) produce a nonsense answer.
Posted by: Damian | December 16, 2008 at 12:22 AM
I think you will always have disagreement when there are people who use the bible to inform themselves about morality and ones that dont.
Posted by: TitforTat | December 16, 2008 at 06:25 AM
I tried reading the article, and couldn't get past the first paragraph. I'm sorry, but if Miller desires to argue for gay marriage from the Bible, the least she could do is demonstrate that she's made some effort to understand what the Bible is saying.
Posted by: Jesse | December 16, 2008 at 07:40 AM
Robert Gagnon responds specifically to the Newsweek article here:
http://robgagnon.net/NewsweekMillerHomosexResp.htm
Posted by: William Wilcox | December 17, 2008 at 11:27 AM
TitforTat,
You say that Miller should at least "demonstrate that she's made some effort to understand what the Bible is saying." Yet, you said you couldn't get past the first paragraph of what SHE was saying. It seems your advice is awfully unbalanced. Regardless of whether or not you agree, you should at least give her the respect of listening
Posted by: Barry | December 17, 2008 at 05:40 PM
Walter Wink, Professor of Biblical Interpretation, has a short article "Homosexuality and the Bible"
I think it's better than Miller's, but it still argues for a conclusion readers here won't like.
Posted by: anon | December 18, 2008 at 06:53 PM
Thanks for that link, I'm planning on attending Mars Hill so this is interesting.
Posted by: Barry | December 18, 2008 at 07:24 PM
For an exchange between Wink and Gagnon go here:
http://www.robgagnon.net/Reviews/homoWinkExchanges.pdf
Wink admits to this: "Simply put, the Bible is negative toward same-sex behavior, and there is no getting around it. The issue is precisely what weight that judgment should have in the ethics of Christian life."
Posted by: William Wilcox | December 19, 2008 at 08:35 AM
Uhh, Barry, you ascribed the comments to the wrong person. It was Jesse, not TitforTat.
Posted by: Augustine | December 19, 2008 at 08:39 AM
My bad TitforTat.
Posted by: Barry | December 19, 2008 at 11:21 PM
I've started a series on SSM on my blog. Posts will run through Friday.
Augustine (same commenter as above, perhaps?) wrote a lengthy response to Greg's "Same-sex Marriage Challenges and responses" which can be found here
The first post in the series on my blog is here
Just wanted to alert you all in case you want to comment on them (I've also linked to Augustine's post at my blog, so feel free to comment there too).
Posted by: Rich Bordner | December 22, 2008 at 05:17 PM