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May 24, 2009


>It is amazing to contemplate that God has created human beings in His image, with qualities of love and sacrifice, that some would lay down their lives for others as His Son did.

So these are on the same level as Christ who knew no sin?

Weren't these people drafted for the most part and had no other choice?

@ Pro Life

How unbelievably rude. You know as well as I do that this post is not claiming soldiers are sinless or equaling them with Christ in an improper way.

Have some respect for those who gave their lives to serve and defend our country.

>Have some respect for those who gave their lives to serve and defend our country.

You can only give your life to defend your country if the country is neutral and innocently attacked, and if your government doesn't provoke the attack as it has in times past.

If we cause trouble elsewhere and are attacked because of it, it is hardly defending your country when you retaliate. It is more like coping with the chickens that are coming home to roost.

Pro Life -- why don't you get a life?

Let's honor our troops -- leave the invective and leftist rhetoric for another day.

Goodness, some people are just shameless.

According to Alex Sareyan(1994), 17 conscientious objectors received death sentences and 142 were sentenced to life in prison in World War I.

How can we as Christians praise and decorate the graves of those who kill for worldly kingdoms (Satan's domain), when we should be praising the Church's martyrs and people like them?

None of your war dead had the kind of guts and self sacrifice these (Christian) conscientious objectors had.

It's one thing to be placed in the arena like a bird in a cock fight and die fighting your way out.

But to stand there and stare death down unarmed like Christ is a whole different level of heroism.

Part of the problem here is the equivocation between laying down one's life for another person and laying down one's life for their country. To view these as identical is highly romantic (and hyper-patriotic).

We should honor the lives of those who heroically sacrifice their own life to save others (ProLife, you could be a bit more sensitive here). On the other hand, there is nothing honorable in a nation that views human lives as expendable means to a greater nationalistic end. Sometimes the ends themselves are despicable.

If our nation commands us to take up arms and kill other human beings and we willingly obey, Jesus may be our helper and friend, but he is not our lord.

Sadly, ProLife is correct. None of these soldiers served their country. They served their government, which lied to them and used them as cannon fodder. It's time for Xns to stop worshiping their government and step up to oppose the atrocities it commits.

As a veteran, I can tell you there are those that chose to serve our country. There are those that love country, love patriotism, and loved serving their country. I challenge bloggers to respect this blog and honor the soldier on this day we call Veteran's Day.

Human relationships are much different on a person to person basis then those among governments representing people.
History has taught us that pacifisim in the international sphere encourages evil to become powerful and take over societies and regions.
Today we are able to have this conversation because those who went before us took the initiative to squash evil so that it wouldn't overtake us.

>As a veteran, I can tell you there are those that chose to serve our country. There are those that love country, love patriotism, and loved serving their country. I challenge bloggers to respect this blog and honor the soldier on this day we call Veteran's Day.

If we honor any today, we should honor all, American, German, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc., all who served, right or wrong, for the same noble reasons given above.

Is this what's referred to as 'flaming' by 'trolls'? I've been to their forums (Dawkins, democraticunderground, ad nauseam)and seen identical ill-mannered barbarism. They would never dare say any of this disgusting drivel to your face. They are anonymous snivelers - cowering in momma's basement, enjoying the freedoms actual men have sacrificed blood, sweat, and tears to maintain so they can vilify and slander them from the comfort of unearned peace.

I go and seek them out in coffee houses and campuses, strike up conversations and ask them questions, face to face, that they've never been confronted with before in their cloistered intellectual moron communes. If they were grubbing for potatoes. in the dark of night, dodging bullets, they wouldn't have time to throw two-year-old hissy fits, make pompous pronouncements, and prove themselves "men without chests".

Y'all are destined to be ruled by better men than you. Be thankful that those who rule you now aren't likely to stand you against a wall and shoot you for being useless.

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who
still have swords." Edmund Burke 1729-1797

Michael Kilpatrick

>Michael Kilpatrick

If you can't beat 'em with sound reason and logic, go nuts Rambo style, and take 'em out with pure emotion.

It seems this is what you are trying to tell us?

Gary DeMar of American Vision has an appropriate article today which is worth reading. Check it out at http://www.americanvision.org called Memorial Day: Sergeant York (1941)

I've encountered far too many folks lately who entertain a fluid concept of reality. They universally proceed from a false basic premise, and ramble incoherently on from there expecting everyone to argue from the alternate universe presented. It's universally fruitless to bother with them. There are those who still who have not yet been swallowed by the Borg, that there's always hope for (none are irredeemable till the last breath). Until then I simply enjoy throwing explosives into the midst of the moonbat parade, and delight in the shrieks and swooning.

It doesn't actually take all kinds... we just have them. Which highlights the fact that there are a great many people who harbor great animosity towards Christians, but for reasons only known to themselves continue to announce vehemently that they are one. Please, make up up a new religion.

"Exhortation, v.t. In religious affairs, to put the conscience of
another on the spit, and roast it to a nut brown discomfort." Ambrose Bierce

Christians who embrace violence have much more explaining to do than Christians who embrace peace. Please don't make it sound like the way of Jesus somehow entails war, and those who pursue the peace of Christ fall outside the fold of orthodoxy.

If by embrace you mean acknowledge? Then christians who 'embrace' violence no explaining to do. Encourage? Well then sure, thats a different story. Obviously, the scales should tip vastly in favor of peace; but, at some point, you might need to grab hold a minigun, and do something horiffic. Its never something to rejoice over, but indeed, it is something.

Is it believed by some here that it is un-biblical for a government to use deadly force to exact justice? It may be un-Christlike to use force to persuade others of our convictions. But God has authorized governments to use deadly force, and the Bible does not condemn such action. See Romans 13:

"For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil."

If this is God's will for governmental authorities, then it wouldn't it be immoral for those in power to just sit back and do nothing?

It seems to me there is a wide gap between embracing violence in general, and using deadly force in the name of justice. This gap is widely ignored by pacifists.

"Although difficult for modern man to fathom, it was once widely
believed that life was a gift from God, that to not defend that life when
offered violence was to hold God's gift in contempt, to be a coward and
to breach one's duty to one's community. A sermon given in Philadelphia
in 1747 unequivocally equated the failure to defend oneself with
'He that suffers his life to be taken from him by one that hath no
authority for that purpose, when he might preserve it by defense, incurs
the Guilt of self murder since God hath enjoined him to seek the
continuance of his life, and Nature itself teaches every creature to
defend itself.' Jeff Snyder

"Pardon me friend, but thou standest where I am about to shoot." Gary
Cooper, as a conflicted Quaker in, "Friendly Persuasion"

Same question to 'mijk', as to 'prolife': If we were out together and a mugger attacked you, should I kneel and pray that he stops stabbing you... or stop him myself (essentially, laying hands on him, and praying afterwards)?

I for one would like to say I am extremely greatful to those who have given their lives on behalf of this country.

The trolls on this thread can try as hard as they wish to undermine that sacrifice, but the fact that they can freely sit in lap of liberty to slap her face says more about what the fallen died for than we who honor them could ever say.



Yes, it is obviously great to sacrifice oneself for the cause of Christ. It is clearly different to sacrifice oneself for their country. However, the fact that Christ stands for freedom, and most of the soldiers in our country have died for the cause of freedom (no matter how you perceive their superiors) is something to be praised.

@ Pro Life

Looks like you took a wrong turn somewhere and ended up in the wrong place. This is not Jeremiah Wright's church.

Take your blame-America routine elsewhere, since it has no basis in reality. Perhaps our current president has an opening?

Thanks for showing your true colors, though. Your comments in the past have always made me wonder if you were a follower of Christ or at least a sincere person looking for dialogue, or just a troll looking to cause trouble. You've outed yourself now.

I do think Pro Life has a good point though in honoring the martyrs whose shed blood has preserved God's word for us. But I hope we can honor them without devaluing what our fallen American soldiers.

"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." (John 15)

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