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February 08, 2012

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How about "womb kittens"?

Great post, Amy. And so true.

I feel the most accurate and helpful term is “unborn child”. Just as a human doesn’t turn into a “person”, a human doesn’t turn into a child after traveling through the birth canal. I’m an adult and I’m still my parents’ child. It’s powerful and accurate.

Child (noun) – a son or daughter of any age

I have no problem with fetus just as I have no problem with toddler, adolescent, middle aged, etc. The problem is that people don’t touch, see, kiss, and snuggle fetuses - - they’re removed in that sense.

We would never hear “10 humans were saved from a burning building”. We would hear “10 children were saved”. Unfortunately, even the term “human” doesn’t carry moral significance for many. Child always does.


Sam, LOL! You're killing me!

KWM, yes, I usually do use "unborn child." But there are times when "human fetus" is used, and we should make a conscious decision to reverse the order. Also, there's something surprising about hearing "fetal human"--it catches people off guard because it's unusual. I think it could get people to think about what the words actually mean.

"Don't you feel more of an immediate kinship with a "fetal human" than a "human fetus"? Don't you feel more protective of a fetal human?"

No, not at all.

It's a good point Amy.

And Sam, where did I here that term before[?], I know you are referencing something but it's been too long since I heard it.

So Josh, your naturalism that informs you that the survival of the species is best therefore a rule to guide the moral good of survival isn't kicking in?

Usually those who wont acknowledge God as the source of morality to not murder innocents will argue that men protect each other because it is part of the instinct to survive, not because it is against Gods law. Maybe you can elaborate?

Brad, it was here. Good times. :-)

I dunno that the syntax makes me feel any differently about the issue. Can't speak for everyone, of course, but I'm often much more sensitive than others to how things are posed or phrased. I'm just not sure that this is an inversion that holds much persuasive power. We also say "human being" and "human kind", I think it's just a matter of how it trips off the tongue more so than emphasizing "fetus" over "human."

I could be wrong, tho', I have lots of practice at it. Anyone else feel hot/cold/tepid about the marketing value of such a changeup?

I don’t know how Josh feels about the issue, but reading his post made me think: Some people will only find “kinship” with a fetal human, human fetus, or unborn child when it’s theirs and it’s wanted. A father may assign value knowing his son is there growing or kicking around inside his wife. A mother, decorating the new nursery, assigns value to her unborn child. That’s what’s so heartbreaking. That we can assign value based on our own wants and desires. The only thing that is constant and unchanged is the nature of the unborn.

"We also say "human being" and "human kind", I think it's just a matter of how it trips off the tongue more so than emphasizing "fetus" over "human."

Yeah, I'm with you here.

"So Josh, your naturalism that informs you that the survival of the species is best therefore a rule to guide the moral good of survival isn't kicking in?"

I don't think my naturalism informs me of that. And morality is based more on harm and suffering rather than survival.

>> "The word "fetus" has been used to obfuscate the identity of the unborn for too long..."

Could say the same thing about the word "ovum"

If a being is only human if it is valued, that is a good argumement for racism and slavery.

Those folks just aren't valued, therefore are not human.

Alex,

That's a good point. If a human has no absolute value under a given system of morality, then there is plenty of room to justify slavery, sexism, murder, or any number of other crimes.

In fact, if I simply don't value another person, I can do anything I want to them, morally speaking. It may not be practical, but it's not immoral if my morality doesn't assign that person a value.

OK, “fetal human” induces more of a feeling of kinship.

But how does that change reality? How does this change that a newborn and a single cell are very, very different?

How does that fact that I look different from an embryonic human--and from a male human, for that matter--change the fact that we're both human?

When my wife and I miscarried our third baby we were fortunate enough to have doctors that referred to the bay as a child. It made us glad that they recognized "Matthew" was indeed a human child.
Thanks for your post.

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