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December 19, 2012

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3. Are you happy?

So, what if the answer comes back as, "Yes"?

In my experience, I've known people to decide God doesn't exist purely on the basis of #2.

Problem solved, from their point of view.

I agree, #3 is an irrelevant issue. If they are happy, what does it prove? That it is or isn't sin? If they are unhappy, that may validate the Christian point of view in some way, but it still relies on a subjective feeling. And, I don't think that anyone would likely answer honestly as well, especially to someone who they are not close with.

#1 takes away the faux concept of "tolerance" that many in the pro-homosexual crowd wave as a standard.

#2 is also a good question too as it gets to the heart of the issue.

But I'm not sure what is gained by asking #3.

Darth Dutch

Agreed. #3 seems irrelevant!

You've known 'people' to decide God doesn't exist 'purely' on the basis that 'God disapprove[s] of homosexual behavior'?

How many people was that, ArthurK?

For each such person, how did you learn of their decision process?

Did they give the (ONE) reason for their decision to you or did you somehow figure it out for yourself?

If the latter, did you ask them to confirm your surmise?

If any confirmed, did you challenge their logic?

How did they handle that?

In your 'experience' how common is atheism arrived at 'purely' on this basis?

So, what if the answer comes back as, "Yes"?

That's why it's the third question and not the first. It's true that people do enjoy sin -- but does that sin ultimately satisfy? The questions hints at that corollary.

I'm not saying there aren't any happy homosexuals, but to date, I haven't met any personally. Those that I know, 3 or 4 guys & 1 woman, are so confused and seem to chase the happiness they so desperately desire from one partner to the next. It's heartbreaking.

I have yet to meet any homosexual person who was happy in their current relationship. Not that straight relationships aren't ever rocky--they are--but I've NEVER met a homosexual who has nice things to say about their partner. I work with 3 of them and one actually is now dating guys again. Go figure.

Those that I know, 3 or 4 guys & 1 woman, are so confused and seem to chase the happiness they so desperately desire from one partner to the next. - Jane
I have yet to meet any homosexual person who was happy in their current relationship. - John

I think maybe that such people think there are different "levels", or whatever, of "happiness"? For example, maybe they aren't happy with their specific partner right now, but the overriding factor is that they are doing what they want to do and in their own way and being "who they are", and that makes them think they are happy, or at least that happiness is within their grasp, because they are catering to their own self...

That's why I think there are a lot more that would answer yes to question 3...

Good insights--especially that last phrase of your thought, about catering to what the self wants.

Yes, and it points to the true issue at the root of all this: promotion of Self over God.

Del Tackett in his "Truth Project" series referenced a "Cosmic Battle", in which I think he meant a battle between worldviews. It turns out that the real Cosmic Battle is the pitting of Self vs. God, and that these competing worldviews are just symptoms of that struggle. In a very real sense this struggle is both cosmic and universal, and at the same time is also very intensely personal. It's why Jesus said, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me."

An additional problem is that these days it is becoming accepted 'wisdom' that the Bible approves of homosexuality! The twisting of Scripture to make it say what it does not say is unbelievable. But this idea is gaining traction. Even committed, generally Bible-believing Christians are now saying this.

I'm at a loss.

"Even committed, generally Bible-believing Christians are now saying this."

I've heard your point "requoted" by others but never asserted as their own perspective. Where is this being said and by whom? I've heard active homosexuals use the twisting of scripture but never a "reputable" true believer.

#3 Are you happy? I was asked this question when I was 18 and even though I answered yes to it - the question haunted me for the many years before I became a Christian. God used that question (from an unbeliever) to lead me to self-examine my purpose in life. Yes, many homosexuals are happy but I am sure there are some whose heart will do a flip when they have that question to think about.

Doesn't gay mean happy? For that reason, I probably would be more inclined to ask if they were at peace. I've witnessed to homosexuals and although I have some strong feelings against their lifestyle, I have never made it an issue for their salvation. Sanctification is a process that is energized through discipleship. That's why it's so important to direct those that we lead to Christ to a good Bible believing church. By the way, do you know that there is a Queen James Version Bible?

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