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November 04, 2013

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The Darwinian paradigm has set back science at least 70 years. From the rejection of Mendelian genetics in the early days, to the (I don't know what it does, so therefore it must be junk) mindset that came even after the formulation of the modern synthesis. It seems only a small handful of scientist with very limited research funds were actually questioning this paradigm while their work was largely ignored by the status quo. Think of all the time wasted, when instead of writing ncDNA off as junk, we could have been discovering these functional elements which are only now increasingly being discovered.


"Prof. John Mattick, recently claimed that, ‘the failure to recognize the implications of the non-coding DNA will go down as the biggest mistake in the history of molecular biology’ [Genius of Junk (DNA), Catalyst,
Thursday, 10 July 2003]"


Orchestrated Intron Retention Regulates Normal Granulocyte Differentiation-How ‘junk DNA’ can control cell development
1 AUGUST, 2013
in CENTENARY, MEDIA RELEASES

Aug. 2, 2013 — Researchers from the Gene and Stem Cell Therapy Program at Sydney's Centenary Institute have confirmed that, far from being "junk," the 97 per cent of human DNA that does not encode instructions for making proteins can play a significant role in controlling cell development.

There ARE remnants of ancestral organisms in modern organism DNA. This is easily shown by activating these regions. When this happens accidentally, they are called an "Atavism"

Secondly, not all non-coding DNA was labeled "junk" (except maybe in the media). Go read Dawkin's book "The Greatest Show on Earth," especially the chapter on embryological development...

Is the history of 'junk dna' supposed to be evidence against evolution?

If so, what is the argument?


RonH

Junk is used as evidence against God.

Now there is less junk to be thus used.

The presupposition mislead........again.

Contingency can't be regressed forever.....imaginary time or not.... junk.


Junk is used as evidence against God.

Maybe so. By some. I'll grant it. So what?

Others said that junk dna is a waste of energy and evolution would, therefore, select against individuals possessing it.

So, is not clear at all that evolution itself implies the existence of junk dna.

There are sources of junk dna (look it up) and there is reason to think there is selection against it too.

I predict an equilibrium between the two effects.

Predicting HOW MUCH junk dna we should see seems like a very complicated problem. I punt on that.


Now there is less junk to be thus used.

So how much did there used to be? And how much is left look ing like junk?

Here's an experiment: Remove or alter a gene. What happens?

Here's another: Remove or alter some junk dna. What happens?


What your mind and methods can't find out is junk.

We got that.

Hence the phrase "junk".

Go, or rather, stay, with that.

You may as well stop investigating.......

I wonder.... the beauty fashioned inside of mind's contours in that moment of time it notes a falling star, never to see another...... I cannot unearth this structure's utility as I had never spied but one. Mind's junk to be sure, they tell me. But what fun...... the curves in my ceiling placed as well, not in function yet in fun.... we find these junkish paintings of laughing artists all about. They had never learned that fun is junk. To Tooth and Claw yes, but to Joy, no.

"I come that your joy may be full"

Those fleeting stars, that we are. But junk, we falling stars.

This dark sentiment seems somehow itself a falling star.

Love's joy knows better.


Apologists heard that some noncoding dna has function.

This is as far as apologists see into noncoding dna, Amy.

One kind of noncoding dna is the transposon. It's a string that moves around in the genome. Sometimes it is duplicated in the process.

It reproduces.

That is sufficient reason for its existence; it need provide no service to the landlord of the genome it resides in.

Fun is junk.

We got that. On tooth and claw's presuppositions.

Rape reproduces.

That is as far as athe-ism sees into anything.

You meant to say it gets reproduced. You didn't mean to say it reproduces.


That the genomic itch we call rape reproduces, or rather, gets reproduced, just is justification for its existence.


There cannot be any other reasoning. Genomic Perpetuation just is flourishing, which just is good. On these grounds Sam Harris' entire moral landscape failed the test of coherence.


Atheism can't seem to jump high enough to get its feet off of that ontological subtext in any context.

That is as far as atheism can see..... into anything.


That is why atheism cannot see into Love’s Landscape beyond Law’s Pain, beyond Law’s sort of Dying, and into Love’s Pain, into Love’s sort of Dying. Atheism cannot comprehend, see into, make sense out of, such a language in which Love rather than indifference is the End of Ad Infinitum. No. Atheism cannot see into Christ’s Landscape at all. Love’s Ontology is an alien inside of the Outside, for Love pours into that landscape of necessary indifference and declares that Love is in and by ontological necessity the supreme Ethic in all possible worlds in and by Immutable Love's necessarily triune E Pluribus Unum. The ontology of Immutable Love which Atheism just cannot contain, stand on, re-create within its own indifference just is that singularity of Unity that just is Love’s necessarily triune E Pluribus Unum amid and among Love’s First Distinct, all that is Self, and amid and among Love’s Second Distinct, all that is Other, and, finally, all which these Two Distincts by embrace necessarily beget, Love’s Third Distinct: the Singular-Us that just is E Pluribus Unum.

You meant to say it gets reproduced. You didn't mean to say it reproduces.


Contingent.


Every bit of it.


Regress one step backwards..... then another.... ad infinitum.....

sc,

Transposons - which are part of the 'junk' that makes up much of our genome - are 'parasites' adapted to 'live' in our genome. That explains their presence by itself without their having function useful to us.

Yes. From the highest to the lowest Love creates His Own parasites. I'm sure we are not useful to Him.

Rape.

Love.

Presuppositions.

Mine need not in autohypnosis hide from the contingent behavior of all material stuff nor from the brutally repeatable moral experiences inside of this clearly contingent observational matrix.

Plausibility.

RonH,

Why does the itch to rape live on? It must be favored on some level.

You mean to argue with this?

Good luck.

RobH,

Thank you for advocating that we stop funding, and stop all together, research in any role of these fascinating items in disease, health, and so on.


It's a good thing researchers decades ago didn't think in this way, in your way, but I understand your attempt.

How about this instead:

RonH,


Thank you for advocating that we stop funding, and stop all together, research in any role of these fascinating items in disease, health, and so on.


It's a good thing researchers decades ago didn't think in this way, in your way, but I understand your attempt.

RonH,

I'm curious, why do offer a transposon as evidence against design? We find here only your definition of purpose, a definition which precludes our own experienced nuances inside of writing, inside of painting, inside of our own creative works. Your front-loaded presuppositions cannot account for everything we find atop genome in this regard, though such events do take place, do occur inside, atop, via, and around every mind/hand.

If it had to be that way, then you had to conclude as you do and Truth is we know not what, and yet again, there again, your front-loaded presuppositions do not allow the evidence to drive conclusions in any way we can make sense out of. Evidence doesn’t drive anything, really; not in the sense we all know we need to achieve in freedom from physical systems. So much for insight.

As with Junk DNA, we find purposes as the years go on, and we may with other fascinating items as well, or, we may not, but such just is not our stopping point, for inside of the singular arena of Purpose and Creative, Artistic Acts we find several truths. First, we find more explanatory power for reality as we know it, for creative acts on the grounds of pure beauty, of raw joy, of sheer fun just do saturate the real world, the observed world, and thus presuppositions which can, in intellectual honesty, account for such do by default provide us with a higher degree of plausibility. Second, we find no need, ever, for an end-of-research inside of the Uncreated’s infinite arena, for Joy and Life are but part of a single whole, neither being illusion, each tied to the other. Yet here in your premature settled conclusions inside of a rapidly evolving and highly theoretical field we find all sorts of incoherent hard-stops, this OP being but one example in your suggested hard-stop on the current understanding of A or B as settled matters, Truth and Joy being simply a few other examples which you must stop short of. Your thinking on transposons is the mirror image of that unscientific thinking we see in the OP’s Junk DNA decades ago, and yet we find you demonstrating that same line here right before our eyes, despite the OP’s evidence that what we think we know may not be all there is to know. As for Joy, as for Creative Acts, as for Truth, well, you cannot plausibly account for either of these via your front-loaded presuppositions. But worst of all, the mater seems settled to you. Just like it was on several of those bits of “Junk”, and thus, your presuppositions being satisfied, we need not further any other efforts in research on transposons, for, clearly, there can be no purpose to such.

Any set of front-loaded presuppositions which demands that we stop asking questions on the grounds that its belly is full, which cannot account for creative, artistic acts, which is unable to support the weight of joy, and which concedes that evidence does not magically free thought from physical systems and thereby surrenders truth itself is a set of presuppositions so highly implausible, so artificially fractured, and so loaded with incoherent hard-stops that we wonder at what is driving such a mind to think such a way. We all know that, clearly, it need not think that way. I think, now, I shall go and splash some copper-flaked paint across my trees…..for the fun of it ~~~ such just is actuality ~~~


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