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October 21, 2015


I've learned not to dwell on those things which I'm unable to explain, and to trust that they will be revealed when God chooses reveal them.
I agree with this, given that your theology is based firmly on Scripture and plain reason, the fact that there are some anomalies hardly seems important.

But what my "That said" comment was referring to is the fact that most of the so-called Bible 'contradictions' aren't really very need to hammer your theology around or trust God for some future revelation. You can most often tell right now that the 'contradiction' poses no problem.

Yes, I do agree. Most of the contradictions that were mentioned to me in my younger days as a Christian were brought up by non-believers. At the time, it caused me considerable grief trying to resolve them. As it turns out, they were never really contradictions at all.

That's why I made the comment that those who approach scripture LOOKING for contradictions (or reasons not to believe) will find them. I believe the Bible is hidden from the wise and prudent... It's a stumbling stone for the prideful and haughty. This is why so many atheists misquote scripture and get it wrong.

But, those who approach scripture as babes... with humility and prayer, and a sincere desire to know the truth of God will find that also.

In past discussions with atheists who misquote scripture I've pointed this out (with some success) as a reason for why they just don't get it. I tell them that they misquoted scripture, that they misquoted it because they don't understand it, and that in order to understand it, scripture must be approached with humility and a sincere desire to know the truth. This impacts those atheists who seek the truth versus those who are scoffers.

That the Word of God could even be configured in such a way as to separate the hearts of men, to me, is convincing evidence of its divine inspiration.

Do you agree, or feel that I'm over-stretching the Lord's intent here?

Do you agree, or feel that I'm over-stretching the Lord's intent here?
I'm not sure. I don't think I've been attentive enough to the phenomenon you mention to form any firm view. I guess most atheists I've interacted with are of the scoffer variety.
I guess most atheists I've interacted with are of the scoffer variety.
Same here... most atheists I've encountered are scoffers, but there are a few who only seem to want to be convinced. It's not hard to weed them out. Scoffers seem to enjoy telling you what you believe, and how wrong you are for believing it. Seekers ask questions.

But, my question was not so much about whether you've noticed the phenomenon, rather, do you think the doctrine is theologically sound, given the verses I cited?

I've actually met very few atheists who didn't misinterpret scripture to some extent. Of course, if they understood it they wouldn't be atheists.

scbrownlhrm posted this in a different blog but on this same site...

"Christianity is unique because it functions on a paradox. You must be perfect and you cannot be perfect"

So, you see how you guys twist everything to fit within your belief system. Premise 2 says that opposites can't both be true but then you guys use opposites to "prove the uniqueness of Christianity". Of course you will come up with some new spin as to why the above is not an opposite.

The Critic's version of an illogical statement:

I must get to NY, and, I cannot get to NY.


To be fair, you are correct that there *is* such a state of affairs where "the perfection of being Human...." is concerned. Only, there are metaphysical necessities which converge between "here" (inside of our painful privation) and "there". And that makes sense, given that we do not just "leap" from here to there (so to speak). Reality indeed maps to Christ. Again, you are correct that Man "can", only, there is much which comes before and after "that" housed seamlessly within the words of Christ and the margins of Christianity's paradigm.

TD quoted scbrownlhrm as saying...

Christianity is unique because it functions on a paradox. You must be perfect and you cannot be perfect.
There is nothing paradoxical about that statement at all. If anything it is incomplete. It's like saying...
You must be fast to win the race, but you cannot be fast.
Where is the paradox? There isn't any. A more complete statement of the original premise would be...

1. You must be perfect to stand in God's presence.
2. You cannot be perfect (due to your fallen nature).
3. Jesus, who WAS perfect, and therefore worthy to stand in God's presence, asked God to overlook your imperfection if you believe him.
4. God will overlook your imperfection if you believe Jesus.

It's a little more complex than the original statement, yet fairly straightforward and clear... certainly not paradoxical. See, TD? No spin is even necessary.

Well scb is the one who originally used the word "paradox" not me.

However I concede that I didn't read very carefully and I'm sorry I wasted everybody's time. When I saw "paradox" I think of two things that contradict each other however that may not be the precise definition of the word. I guess I should look it up :)

No apology necessary and it's not a waste of time to mention anything you may have a problem with. Discussion is how we can better understand each other and clarify matters.

I think Paul has more than one thing to say about these "liberal christians". Save your breath believers. And just read your bible with an open heart.

1 Timothy 4:7 Have nothing to do with irreverent silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness;

1 Timothy 7:3-5 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

1 Timothy 6:11 But as for you, O man of God, flee these things(silly arguments and the like. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.

And again,
1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called "knowledge" for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.

Sorry I mistyped the 2nd verse. Its also chapter 6 of 1 Timothy not 7 because it doesn't exist. Hah

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the post. I agree with nearly everything that you posted from 1 Timothy and it is the evangelicals that go on and on and on with quarrels about words.

Regarding silly myth believing, again, it is the evangelicals that believe in talking snakes, talking donkeys, etc.

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