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April 01, 2016

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Now you're being intentionally obtuse. North Carolina just passed a "religious freedom" measure that nullified all local ordinances that protect against any kind of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. And take a look at part (Sec. 2) of the "religious freedom" bill (HB 1523) that just passed the Mississippi state legislature:

The sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions protected by this act are the belief or conviction that:

(a) Marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman;

(b) Sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage; and

(c) Male (man) or female (woman) refer to an individual’s immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy and genetics at time of birth.

This bill (along with several others in several other states) is modelled after the proposed "First Amendment Defense Act" currently in Federal Congress, which does the same thing. Ryan T. Anderson says these bills protect people's right to "live out the truth about marriage and gender", and he's not wrong - they explicitly name what the "truth" is, and then afford special protection to those who hold to the "truth". That's not liberty, that's privilege. When the law of my state says that you don't have to obey the same laws that I do, because you hold certain beliefs that are favored by the state legislature, then I'll put "religious liberty" in scare quotes all day long.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the barrage of legislation (including in my state) laying out an official governmental potty policy. very freedom. such amaze. wow.

Phillip,

North Carolina just passed a "religious freedom" measure that nullified all local ordinances that protect against any kind of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

That looks like a blatantly false claim, according to this: http://governor.nc.gov/press-release/myths-vs-facts-what-new-york-times-huffington-post-and-other-media-outlets-arent

Ryan T. Anderson says these bills protect people's right to "live out the truth about marriage and gender", and he's not wrong - they explicitly name what the "truth" is, and then afford special protection to those who hold to the "truth". That's not liberty, that's privilege.

The bill which you quote doesn't identify these as truths but as religious beliefs and it's not privilege, it's liberty.

When the law of my state says that you don't have to obey the same laws that I do, because you hold certain beliefs that are favored by the state legislature, then I'll put "religious liberty" in scare quotes all day long.

That's a mischaracterization of the law. The law doesn't say that you don't have to obey the same laws that I do. Rather, the law says that anyone (you or me) who has religious beliefs x is allowed to live in accordance with that religious belief.

If you reject this, then you surely must reject any free exercise of religion.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the barrage of legislation (including in my state) laying out an official governmental potty policy. very freedom. such amaze. wow.

You can thank your transgender activist friends for that. They are the ones shoving it down our throats. For instance just a few months ago my county had transgender activists trying to get the county school board to institute county-wide public school bathroom policies--all because one student in one school complained about not being able to use the girls restroom (he was a man).

But that doesn’t matter, because the people throwing their full weight against these laws are opposed to diversity. They have no interest in working out a way for everyone to live together in peace.

That is absolutely, utterly ridiculous.

Response in my area is more and more restaurants having one bathroom with common sinks and completely enclosed stalls with a locking door.

It's the only workable solution I can see mentally ill people insist we accommodate their strangeness.

Sexual predators everywhere are loving this....

>> That is absolutely, utterly ridiculous.

brgulker,

I've seen the reports on the network news. Monolithic. Solidified opinion. Incapable of allowing variance of thought. Ready to denounce religious liberty as an offense.

Reminds me of all the to-do circulating about Don Trump rallies.

One extreme, meet the other extreme.

It is as if the "PC-and proud" crowd have encountered the "PI-and okay with that" resistance and are locking horns.

Three possible resolutions:

Allow for a range of opinion to exist. (tolerance)

One group succeeds in eradicating the other. (Lack of diversity).

Have one group use political clout and governmental mechanisms to silence the other (fascism).

However we wish to solve the division in the country, let's start with on basic principle. Hate is a two-way street. Those denouncing religious liberty may be as endued with venom as those who refuse service.

It's only the baser principles we hold to which will destroy us.

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