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May 07, 2016

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Not if armed revolution comes first in-between now and Christ's return.

"As a result, people who think homosexual behavior is wrong become the immoral ones." These words reminded me of something written by G. K. Chesterton that I recently read:

"If there is one thing worse than the modern weakening of major morals, it is the modern strengthening of minor morals. Thus it is considered more withering to accuse a man of bad taste than of bad ethics. Cleanliness is not next to godliness nowadays, for cleanliness is made essential and godliness is regarded as an offence. A playwright can attack the institution of marriage so long as he does not misrepresent the manners of society, and I have met Ibsenite pessimists who thought it wrong to take beer but right to take prussic acid."

It was written nearly a century ago and is now more relevant than ever!

I tried to share this on FB so people could see depraved our culture is but it will not go to FB.

As someone who would still Identify as christian in the 'Church of England' kind of way I see nothing morally wrong with the premise of having a gay Disney character. There is a growing awareness amongst the mainstream churches that acknowledges the need to move with the times and to meet the needs of current societal needs. Churches are now facing up to the real challenges of poverty,homelessness and inclusivity and are thankfully moving away from issues that have in the past lead to accusations of exclusivity,intolerance and those times when they have forsook to introduce and influence laws that would diminish another persons life experience in deference to arbitrary and poorly interpreted scriptures....However I do draw the line at tongues.

"If one believes cultural relativism is true—that the culture decides what is right and wrong—and wants to change the culture’s moral opinion, then to make something “moral,” you must get the culture to agree with you."

Your first two points are well-taken, but this one I disagree with. It misrepresents the issue and reflects more poorly on LGBT advocates than they deserve.

I have seen very little evidence of moral relativism among the hoi polloi. Even many of those who espouse it, when pushed a little further, don't actually believe that culture determines right and wrong; instead, they hold a weak moral relativism that crumbles away when taken to its limits.

In reality, most Americans believe that some things are (objectively) right and some things are (objectively) wrong; and when the culture's view of morality does not reflect their moral catalog, the culture must be changed. They actually demand that the culture become more moral by possessing proper moral standards -- it just so happens that, unsurprisingly, the rubric by which morality is measured here is not that of orthodox Christianity.

It is actually moral objectivism, not moral relativism, that propels the LGBT advocacy movement.

>> Churches are now facing up to the real challenges of poverty,

For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you want to, you can do them good; but you will not always have me. (Mk. 14:7)

... homelessness

As they went on the way, a certain man said to him, “I want to follow you wherever you go, Lord.” Jesus said to him, “The foxes have holes, and the birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” (Lk. 9: 57,58)

... and inclusivity

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. (Jn. 14: 6)

Such is the bane of the "mainstream church" which embraces the culture, contrary to Romans 12: 2:

Don’t be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what is the good, well-pleasing, and perfect will of God.

Or even by Jesus' words: If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, since I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. (Jn. 15: 18, 19)

In all this progressive enthusiasm of battling "issues that have in the past lead to accusations of exclusivity, intolerance," is the mainstream church faithfully following Christian doctrine, or merely sluffing off as unpopular any truth as "poorly interpreted scriptures?"

Ah, the sanctity of those "itching ears"!

>> They actually demand that the culture become more moral by possessing proper moral standards -- it just so happens that, unsurprisingly, the rubric by which morality is measured here is not that of orthodox Christianity.

Big huh here. I am not sure of the given definition of moral objectivity, but would this quote have made any sense in the 1950's? Or the 1990's? If they make sense now, then we are not dealing with the issue of objective morals, but something relative to the moment.

And that moment could be a time, when, in our "tunnel vision" on the Gospel of Christ, we have learned to love the Pharisees. Become more smug, more sanctimonious, more ready to reject the Jesus whose kingdom was not of this world for a contrived Jesus who would be agreeable with any trend, tendency, or social concept that comes our way.

A moment when in future histories, the 2010's were a time of confusion and lack of conviction, rational thought, critical discernment, and just plain common sense.

@ James Archbold

"As someone who would still Identify as christian in the 'Church of England' kind of way I see nothing morally wrong with the premise of having a gay Disney character."

No one who is a follower of Christ would approve of homosexuality being promoted, and especially to children!

'No one who is a follower of Christ would approve of homosexuality
being promoted, and especially to children!'

This just is not the reality.Plenty folk who Identify as christian do just that.
You might say that attitude applies to your particular niche brand of christianity but you would be quite mistaken to presume for the other 20,000 denominations..It is the case I feel that it should be the purpose of our media to reflect societal reality and promote positive role models across the board.It is important that same sex adoption and fostering should be promoted positively and encouraged. It works..There was a case here where an employee of social services who also belonged to a fundamentalist church were fostering a small child.It came tonight that this couple were praying along with their church that the child would not be adopted by gay people.This came to light and the couple were found to have broken social service very clear rules and were dismissed and banned from any further fostering..Societies expectations about what is deemed acceptable behaviour by faith groups is changing and with that growing realisation, religious fundamentalists across the board are having to adapt in the face of that secular morality.

'No one who is a follower of Christ would approve of homosexuality
being promoted, and especially to children!

And with respect Mo, You don't get to tell me what I am ..blessings on you<3

@ James Archbold

"This just is not the reality."

As I said, no one who is a follower of Christ would be openly promoting something the Bible calls sin. And they most certainly would not be promoting it to children.

Jesus had strong words for those who cause children to sin.

"And with respect Mo, You don't get to tell me what I am"

Is that right? Jesus does.

"And with respect Mo, You don't get to tell me what I am"

Is that right? Jesus does. -

I knew we could agree on something....blessings Mo <3

"Your Word is Truth"
~Jesus

"no one who is a follower of Christ would be openly promoting something the Bible calls sin.."

So, the Christian owner of a seafood restaurant is sinful for selling lobster rolls?

What I am concerned about is...how many 'evangelicals' would still begrudgingly see this sequel?

James Archbold,

What distinguishes someone who "identifies as Christian" from someone who actually is a Christian?

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