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June 20, 2016

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@GH5; >"Augustine was one messed up neoplatonist"

So you think Pelagius was right about human nature?

DGF, Dave,

DGF,

See this thread's,

"Posted by: scbrownlhrm | June 20, 2016 at 07:43 AM"
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"Posted by: scbrownlhrm | June 21, 2016 at 02:52 AM"
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"Posted by: scbrownlhrm | June 21, 2016 at 09:42 PM".

It will suffice, us pushing on the futile as described already, until we find out why the (genuine) shout of, "Christ my all in all!" is not enough, is not sufficient, is not the Salvific.

I am near, but not in, the kingdom, pending a doctrinal quiz of some sort, despite that genuine shout of, "Christ, my all in all!".

Hence:

Dave,

Why are Armenians (or those who are not Arminian such as myself) who tell us they pour their faith into Christ, who tell us they've no righteousness but Christ, and who tell us they reject your understanding of volition, causation, and being, and who through faith taste the Salvific, going to hell?

What are they missing?

When someone finds themselves pouring all their hope into Christ, "Christ my all in all!", you are found shouting about them, "Ah, -tiss not enough!".

[1] What (again) are they missing, and [2] why do you place a doctrinal quiz above Christ and [3] why do you count Christ as insufficient ???


@SCB:>"What are they missing?"

Let me ask again, what from your list of religious virtues that you have, sets you apart from the lost? Why are you saved and they are not if Christ died for them too?

Dave,

I've no idea.

But I know this: Christ is my all in all.

Why am I going to hell?

What am I missing?

Dave,

You seem dissatisfied with Christ, my all in all.

Why?

@SCB:>"I've no idea."

what did you do to become saved?

Dave,

I've no idea.

But I know this: Christ is my all in all.

Why am I going to hell?

What am I missing?

Dave,

I know some things. I don't know some things. I don't know what I've told you I don't know.

But this I do know: Christ is my all in all.

Why am I going to hell?

What am I missing?

@SCB: So you agree that God first gave you the Holy Spirit enabling you to believe in Christ? (Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit). And you did absolutely nothing (Works, meeting a condition, etc.) to merit this?

Dave,

I know some things. I don't know some things. I don't know what I've told you I don't know. Which is a lot. Like your terms too: I have no idea what you're describing.

But this I do know: Christ is my all in all.

Why am I going to hell?

What am I missing?

@SCB: >"But this I do know: Christ is my all in all."

Did you make Christ your all, or did he?

Dave,

I know some things. I don't know some things. I don't know what I've told you I don't know. Which is a lot. Like your terms too: I have no idea what you're describing.

But this I do know: Christ is my all in all.

Why am I going to hell?

What am I missing?

Then you do not have saving faith. Because faith trusts Christ for salvation and if you do not know whether or not it was you or he that saved you, how can you have faith in him?

Dave,

Okay, I know Christ, I know that He is my all in all. Truly.

And I'm going to hell.

“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:22–23)

Dave,

The words of, the reality of, "Christ" and "all in all" do not satisfy, well, you.

Which is, fortunately, irrelevant to my, or anyone else's, salvation.

Dave,

You never said: what am I missing?

If you do not know Christ saved you, then that leaves only you. you must have saved yourself.

Dave,

What is left besides "All in all"?

What am I missing?

“And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” (John 6:65–66)

Dave,

What would you have us add to "All in all"?

Dave,

You're asserting that Christ, my all in all, the all in all, is insufficient.

Which is fine.

But you haven't told us what to add.

Is "all in all" a choice you made?

Dave,

Of course Christ saved me. Did you miss the shout, "Christ, my all in all!" ?

So again,

Why am I going to hell?

What am I missing?

Why did Christ save you and not others?

Dave,


I know some things. I don't know some things. I don't know what I've told you I don't know. Which is a lot. Like your terms too: I have no idea what you're describing.

But this I do know: Christ is my all in all. Everything.

Why am I going to hell?

What am I missing?

So by saying "you don't know" when asked why Christ saved you and not others, you are unwilling to give him credit and the Glory due to him for saving you?

“John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.” (John 3:27)

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13)

“Looking unto Jesus the author (Beginner) and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Hebrews 12:2)

Dave,

All in all. All the glory is His, is Him, and that's all I know.

Christ, my all in all.

When someone finds themselves pouring all their hope into Christ, "Christ my all in all!", you are found shouting about them, "Ah, -tiss not enough!".

[1] What (again) are they missing, and [2] why do you place a doctrinal quiz above Christ and [3] why do you count Christ as insufficient ???

Is there a time when you were not a "Christian"? If so, how did you become one? Did you just wake up believing in Christ one day?

Dave,

All I know is this:

All in all. All the glory is His, is Him.

Christ, my all in all.

When someone finds themselves pouring all their hope into Christ, "Christ my all in all!", you are found shouting about them, "Ah, -tiss not enough!".

[1] What (again) are they missing, and [2] why do you place a doctrinal quiz above Christ and [3] why do you count Christ as insufficient ???

It's a peculiar state of affairs when resting in, on, Christ, full stop, is counted as damning.

@SCB: Can people loose their salvation? If so, why or how?

Dave,

I have no idea.

Am I damned on that account *too*?

Dave,

I've told you what I know.

You've not told me why I'm damned.

What I'm missing.

@SCB: I believe your position is indefensible. And your evasive answers only verify this.

Let's move on. Do you believe in "free will" and is it instrumental in salvation?

Dave,

Christ is indefensible?

On what terms?

I've told you what I know.

You tell me I'm damned.

You don't tell me what I'm missing.

And you think we're just going to switch topics?

No way Dave.

What am I missing?

What hoops must I jump through given that Christ isn't sufficient?

"What hoops must I jump through given that Christ isn't sufficient?"

How did you and Jesus become involved with each other?

SCB: This is my position: All I know is that Christ equates to the all in all. All the glory is His, is Him. Christ, my all in all.

Dave: That's indefensible. You're going to hell.


"Christ, my all in all."

His choice or yours?

Dave,

I told you what I know.

You've not told me what I'm missing.

Feel free to try.

"I told you what I know."

So you were born a believer and never experienced life outside of Christ?

Dave,

The word "all" means "all".

All I know.

All in all.

All glory.

Christ.

______________


Why am I damned?

"Why am I damned?"

Are you accusing me of saying that about you?

Dave,

I'm happy to talk to you about my past, if it mattered.

But on Christ, on salvation, all I know is.....

Why am I damned?

Dave,

Yes. You state that about me.

Because Christ is indefensible.

Do you think you are damned? I certainly did not say that...

And Christ is all I have..... If insufficient.... Then damned....

"And Christ is all I have..... If insufficient.... Then damned...."

That is exactly what I believe. But how we get to that point makes all the difference.

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:” (Romans 8:14–16)

We believe because the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit.

I only know what I know.

Christ.

All.

You seem dissatisfied with that (indefensible) position.

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